[Steve X]

We don’t even know if that pickup purposely violated the sign to save time or ignore it.

Heck you can see how many cars identifies as bus and use the red painted bus lane to turn on a transit signal left from Ellesmere onto Brimley. What’s their excuse? Can’t read a sign? Can’t tell a black transit signal is not for them? Can’t tell the red paint is not for them? I doubt it, they are just selfish.

There are a lot of drivers that ignores the 4-6pm turn prohibition signs on minor roads. The purpose is to reduce traffic on residential streets.

 

[11th]

When did they make this a Michigan left? It wasn't in the 2024 streetview I posted above.

They never, but they can, since it has a quasi set up of it. It just needs better signage to direct people who wishes to turn left from Eglinton to Birchmount.

 

[Steve X]

They never, but they can, since it has a quasi set up of it. It just needs better signage to direct people who wishes to turn left from Eglinton to Birchmount.

I wished this city understands that there are many non standard traffic layout deviations from a typical North American city and they need overhead signs with diagrams to help people navigate through these special cases.

Such examples is how to turn onto Queens Quay.
How to get onto Brimley from Ellesemere. A tiny sign in words is not sufficient when it’s on the right side and who knows the name of the next street.

 

[nfitz]

They never, but they can, since it has a quasi set up of it. It just needs better signage to direct people who wishes to turn left from Eglinton to Birchmount.

I guess with some clear signage at Birchmount, it could be. It effectively is - and what Google recommends.

 

[reinventingthewheel]

I guess with some clear signage at Birchmount, it could be. It effectively is - and what Google recommends.

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This is surprising considering Google sucks at updating their routing for a number of the restrictions downtown, eg. most King St. thru and turning restrictions.

 

[nfitz]

This is surprising considering Google sucks at updating their routing for a number of the restrictions downtown, eg. most King St. thru and turning restrictions.

Do you have an example? I just checked.

When it was first implemented it took 3 or 4 days last decade for them to add the restrictions - but it's always seemed to be there when I've checked since.

1-minute by bike, 5 minutes by car. If there's no traffic:

Downtown Yonge East to The Path - Commerce Ct

www.google.ca

 

[urbancog]

An LRV crossed the bridge and entered Mt Dennis Station as I was driving up Black Creek Drive yesterday at 22:30. Didn't realize they were testing that late.

 

[Steve X]

An LRV crossed the bridge and entered Mt Dennis Station as I was driving up Black Creek Drive yesterday at 22:30. Didn't realize they were testing that late.

They gotta simulated service in late evenings too as the line is expected to operated to 1am

 

[crs1026]

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I have said before, and will say again - from a human factors/ cognitive design perspective this is far too many signs and sets a trap for motorists (who are after all also attending to auto and LRT and cyclist traffic, pedestrians, and other stimuli while trying to read the signs..... at speed.... do we really want motorists slowing to a crawl until they have processed it all?)

- Paul

PS - each of the signs may be "legal" and "to code" as individual objects, but when combined in this manner, their respective shapes, sizes, and placements creates cognitive chaos.

 

[evandyk]

at speed.... do we really want motorists slowing to a crawl )

We do, but there are better ways!

 

[11th]

We do, but there are better ways!

What about buses?

 

[jordanmkasla2009]

The only similar LRT to Eglinton's above ground portion that has been operational for years is KWs and while there are crashes here and there the vast majority of the time the route runs fine, sure there are crashes but that is inevitable with any interaction between vehicles. In KW Keolis/GRT have managed to develop a reaction plan to service disruptions rather quickly often taking a bus or two off of routes that interline with the LRT to start a bus bridge until supervisors/extra drivers can bring busses from a garage to service the interrupted section. The rest of the line still runs fine around the section with the outage. Often times the outages only last a couple of hours while it does suck it really doesn't cause too much chaos. The only times they really last more than that is when there is a significant injury involved (pedestrian/cyclist hit) or signaling infrastructure gets hit.

The worst part is the first year of it running, after that people for the most part get used to it and stop doing stupid things, sure you can't get rid of stupid so crashes are still inevitable but they are way less frequent. Between the LRTs launch June 21 2019 to now there's only been 65 crashes, one every 33 days. In the first year of it running there was a total of 18 crashes (one every 20 days), after the first year its been one crash every 38 days. Sure KWs LRT is far from perfect but crashes are no where near as big of an issue as people make it seem and the same thing will likely be true of Eglinton.

Also worth noting, the collisions involving cars in KW have cost the taxpayers exactly $0 in repairs. All repairs paid for by the car driver's insurance.

 

[dowlingm]

Would automatic enforcement with a camera help? Or even be allowed by law?

Depends. Are the cameras going to be mounted like parkside drive and the other places they have been trashed?

My vote is to crush every car that left turns at a prohibited junction, and mount the cube on a pedestal at the intersection with a sign saying “this car turned left”

 

[evandyk]

What about buses?

Every bus line that meets a certain ridership threshold should get a dedicated lane. And if that's the only lane available, so be it.

 

[Thaboss]

We don’t even know if that pickup purposely violated the sign to save time or ignore it.

Heck you can see how many cars identifies as bus and use the red painted bus lane to turn on a transit signal left from Ellesmere onto Brimley. What’s their excuse? Can’t read a sign? Can’t tell a black transit signal is not for them? Can’t tell the red paint is not for them? I doubt it, they are just selfish.

There are a lot of drivers that ignores the 4-6pm turn prohibition signs on minor roads. The purpose is to reduce traffic on residential streets.

Do what the dutch do.

Automatic bollards that raise from the ground and disappear when no longer needed. Or automatic cameras that fine you for entering certain zones without the correct authority