JBoogie said:
Is there any chance that this is a placeholder rendering, or is it just wishful thinking 🙁 ?
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Sorry, it's the latter.

It's still within the boundaries of realism to try to pressure Mx/Government/ CF to do better on the materials. But the basic shape is set. Even tweaking the cladding at this point is unlikely.....but by all means try!

PS, you have a message.
 
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JBoogie said:
Is there any chance that this is a placeholder rendering, or is it just wishful thinking 🙁 ?
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Wishful thinking. Metrolinx would have boasted the architecture if it was something flashy. The only hope for this is that if they're building the base structure waiting for nearby developments to contribute the envelope and public works. They're doing this for the urban stations which are just a generic box which will eventually be replaced by a tower. If East Harbour is getting towers built on top or adjacent to the station, they could make up the actual station.
 
Northern Light said:
Sorry, it's the latter.

It's still within the boundaries of realism to try to pressure Mx/Government/ CF to do better on the materials. But the basic shape is set. Even tweaking the cladding at this point is unlikely.....but by all means try!
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Then they should stop claiming this as the 2nd Union Station. And treat it like any other GO/Ontario Line station...that is, it's just a transfer point and nothing more. Functional is fine here as long as they're not overstating it to be something more special than it will be. It's just Kipling Station 2.0...

...and save the hype for the Exhibition terminus, IMO.
 
UtakataNoAnnex said:
Then they should stop claiming this as the 2nd Union Station. And treat it like any other GO/Ontario Line station...that is, it's just a transfer point and nothing more. Functional is fine here as long as they're not overstating it to be something more special than it will be. It's just Kipling Station 2.0...

...and save the hype for the Exhibition terminus, IMO.
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The hype, of course, was meant to help 'sell' development here. When this station finishes it will likely pre-date any residential or commercial building.

The station was supposed to help attract tenants/buyers at a point where this area will likely be mostly open and empty without much to see. The investment (in good design) would be accretive to CF's return on investment, adding $2-$4 per ft2 to sales/rent. CF should really be objecting to a bland white box that may it cost it millions in ROI per year.
 
Northern Light said:
The hype, of course, was meant to help 'sell' development here. When this station finishes it will likely pre-date any residential or commercial building.

The station was supposed to help attract tenants/buyers at a point where this area will likely be mostly open and empty without much to see. The investment (in good design) would be accretive to CF's return on investment, adding $2-$4 per ft2 to sales/rent. CF should really be objecting to a bland white box that may it cost it millions in ROI per year.
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This thing attracts millions of people to Hudson Yards. CF should object to the bait and switch.

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JBoogie said:
Is there any chance that this is a placeholder rendering, or is it just wishful thinking 🙁 ?
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If anything, the original envision renderings were the placeholders. They are like fantasy images one could have created without thoughts on engineering/cost constraints.

Exhibition on the other hand, is relatively basic - a giant concourse with spruced up roof, built over the tracks
 
nightstreak said:
This thing attracts millions of people to Hudson Yards. CF should object to the bait and switch.

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Unfortunately most large developers dont give a damn when it comes to Toronto because they can get away with uninspiring drab, and we love settling for mediocrity. I'm putting things in general terms (there's more as to why), but frankly if we're being honest that's a big key truth.

Just look at your example above, Oxford who was a big part of Hudson Yards in NYC. They've just dramatically watered down Union Park, which is a literally some of the most prime real estate in Toronto.

Cadillac Fairview looks to be trying to do the exact same with East Harbour by watering down their plans, while Metrolinx waters down everything and cant execute anything properly.
 
It's kinda sad really. There are quite a few places in Toronto & The GTA alone that could have been used as inspiration.

Example: Vaughan's Bus Transit Station at Metropolitan Centre or even the R.O.M. expansion from many years ago.

Ah well. 😑 This station will be GO and Ontario Line but there is also the planned Streetcar Route for the future East Harbour and McCleary communities. I wish they would make some effort to give it some style.
 
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ProjectEnd said:
Ross paid for the schwarma, this isn't remotely corollary. And ARC was cancelled by Christie and Gateway 1 was cancelled by Trump. Whatever are you talking about?
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Maybe read the thread so you understand the context of what I was replying to and you'd understand?
 
^Yeah, a great big climbing schwarma sitting over rail tracks is not what we looking for here...it serves no real functional purpose beyond the vanity. A transit hub that looks super smexed up is far more desirable. Also see again for the example of that:

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I wish they would hit up Zaha Hadid Architects. I'm sure they could whip up something beautiful in a matter of days. A project this small would be child's play to them.

Imagine if East Harbour was like ZHA's Napoli-Afragola High Speed Train Station Design but the snaking canopy envelops the East Harbour Station aligning with the tracks. Passengers would be in awe while they wait for their train. They might even skip a train or two just to admire the station.

 
It's easy enough to put forth the proposition of "if only we invited the likes of Zaha Hadid" on paper, but at a more fundamental level, we need to ask ourselves: is this a city and country that (still) believes enough in itself and the future to exercise such daring?

Toronto, Canada, North America, and the broader West are in a state of decline and malaise that isn't simply a matter of economics or politics, but rather something deeper: a crisis of civilizational morale and self-confidence.

Say what you want about China, Southeast Asia, or the Arab Gulf States, but those are civilizations that (for both better and worse) believe very much in themselves and the future in 2025.

There's a reason that we built Union Station 1.0 in the 1920s and the world's (then-)tallest structure in the 1970s, but can't exercise an analogous level of transcendental transformative ambition in the 2010s-2020s. We've simply become too comfortable.
 
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