My main gripe with BMO field is the assymetry of the stadium between east and west sides, which drives me a bit nuts because of my OCD lol
Plenty of stadiums considered "good" by many are asymmetrical. St James Park is an incredibly ugly stadium but people don't complain about it in this way.
My second gripe is the open stands!. Sitting inside of the statidum and seeing the parking lot outside is a total immersion killer.
This is incredibly common throughout the world. You can watch Belgian top flight in literal farm fields.
 
The only way we will get a "real" stadium is if we get an NFL team (Come on Rogers).

Or if Toronto starts supporting the football and soccer teams we already have. Over the next 20+ years I have more hope for the MLS team than the CFL team but who knows? What goes down can always go back up again; especially with the backlash to all things American/surge in support for Canadian products.

As I'm sure you know, football was invented in Toronto (1861: U of T) so maybe the next generation will have more pride in their own culture than the current one. (Come on MLSE).
 
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Or if Toronto starts supporting the football and soccer teams we already have. Over the next 20+ years I have more hope for the MLS team than the CFL team but who knows? What goes down can always go back up again; especially with backlash to all things American. Football was invented in Toronto so maybe the next generation will have more pride in their own culture than the current one. (Come on MLSE).

I've never heard that before, where do I get information on that
 
Or if Toronto starts supporting the football and soccer teams we already have. Over the next 20+ years I have more hope for the MLS team than the CFL team but who knows? What goes down can always go back up again; especially with the backlash to all things American/surge in support for Canadian products.

As I'm sure you know, football was invented in Toronto (1861: U of T) so maybe the next generation will have more pride in their own culture than the current one. (Come on MLSE).
Not sure about your Toronto connection. My Understanding is that McGill played Harvard in one of the earliest games.
 
I would not say zero, the NFL would love to be in this market. but very low yes
It would have happened by now if that were true, and there have been many attempts by local groups since the 1960s. The NFL has learned from baseball and basketball that Canadian teams, especially when they have playoff success, depress U.S. ad revenue, and nothing is more sacrosanct to the NFL than its domestic media deals. Notice that the Montreal Expos and the Vancouver Grizzlies have not been replaced. Neither would the Jays or Raptors if they ever left.
I've never heard that before, where do I get information on that
You have to search for it. American football historians are keen to promote Princeton vs Rutgers in 1869 as football's origin, but accounts of that game make it sound more like soccer than football. Both teams basically lined up 15-20 players across from each other and scoring was limited to one point when they kicked a round ball through the opponent's line. McGill's visit down to Harvard in May 1874 changed everything. They played two games using each others rules. Harvard preferred McGill's rules, which featured an oblong ball, running with the ball, tackling, a system of downs, and touching the ball down in the opponent's end, a precursor to the modern touchdown. Walter Camp, known as the father of American football, was a Yale player in the 1870s, and he used many of Harvard's innovations to standardize American football rules in the 1880s. Prior to that, teams had to agree to the rules before games.

If it's not hockey, Canadian sports history tends to get lost in the ether.
 
The fact that we have a soccer pitch in the middle of the city of the lake is cool, I've seen a lot of bashing of the stadium but I enjoyed myself for the first time. A few upgrades are definitely needed but it's not as bad as it's being made out to be

Nobody is bashing the ground….the pitch looks fine, if anything that’s the only saving grace of this stadium. A few upgrades? This stadium literally has NO north stand….it’s an empty lot. The corners are empty. The south stand has a huge gap between it and the roof. The South stand looks like a high school bleacher.

This is the World Cup we’re talking about and Toronto in typical fashion goes small when it comes time to actually do something. Just like how they went with those LRT nonsense instead of building proper subways, here we see again old timer boomers of Toronto still thinking the city is some small mid-tier continental city.

Either go hard or go home. Enough of this small town crap.
This is Toronto, people expect the best or nothing.


EDIT: And we get NOTHING.
 
Nobody is bashing the ground….the pitch looks fine, if anything that’s the only saving grace of this stadium. A few upgrades? This stadium literally has NO north stand….it’s an empty lot. The corners are empty. The south stand has a huge gap between it and the roof. The South stand looks like a high school bleacher.

This is the World Cup we’re talking about and Toronto in typical fashion goes small when it comes time to actually do something. Just like how they went with those LRT nonsense instead of building proper subways, here we see again old timer boomers of Toronto still thinking the city is some small mid-tier continental city.

Either go hard or go home. Enough of this small town crap.
This is Toronto, people expect the best or nothing.


EDIT: And we get NOTHING.
Not totally sure I totally agree with your supposition. We have built some pretty big things in this city, think CN Tower, Skydome, our skyline in general, etc etc. But I also agree that BMO Field is by far the worst of the World Cup Stadiums. I wish we had a world class football stadium as well, just not sure there is a need for it.
 
Oh, and I forgot the widest and busiest highway in the world (401), but many on here would not consider that much of an accomplishment 🤣
 
Oh, and I forgot the widest and busiest highway in the world (401), but many on here would not consider that much of an accomplishment 🤣
And one last one, by far the largest transit expansion in North America. I think sometimes we forget how much we are building here. Not all of it perfect but still..........
 
I wish we had a world class football stadium as well, just not sure there is a need for it.
I don't think folks are clamoring for a world class stadium, but upgrading it to something better than a Texas high school football stadium for the World Cup seems like a reasonable expectation. These are some MLS stadiums with similar capacities to BMO in Cincinatti and Nashville:
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Nobody is bashing the ground….the pitch looks fine, if anything that’s the only saving grace of this stadium. A few upgrades? This stadium literally has NO north stand….it’s an empty lot. The corners are empty. The south stand has a huge gap between it and the roof. The South stand looks like a high school bleacher.
The stadium's West Stand seems the most micky mouse part of the stadium of to me. A dingy press box on top of the stands and a too-high canopy that's almost useless in shielding fans from the elements.

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Fixed that for you. LA, if you include early works (moving utilities, etc.) has quite a bit more Rapid Transit kms under construction than Toronto*. This includes D Line (Purple Line) Subway Extension Project, Foothill Extension Phase 2B to Pomona (A Line Extension), Southeast Gateway Line, North Hollywood to Pasadena Bus Rapid Transit Project, and Vermont Transit Corridor at ~100km.

Toronto gets to about ~90km including Eglinton and Finch.

* Ignored commuter rail because I have no idea what the status of GO Expansion actually is AND LA also has significant double/triple tracking, signalling, and grade separation projects underway to add 15 minute frequencies to ~300km of track and 30 minute frequencies to the other ~500km of track for the 2028 Olympics.
** Also ignored the California HSR and Brightline West projects which, both are under construction while Alto is not, puts the $dollar figure well above GTA too.
Not fair to exclude GO and include state/national projects in my opinion. GO once complete, will be transformative to the region. I see a lot of the LA projects are at grade light rail where more of ours is heavy rail and tunnelled LRT. I still hold to my original claim that the GTHA has more transit under construction than any other metro in NA, especially if we include the Hamilton and Hurontario LRT projects.
 
I don't think folks are clamoring for a world class stadium, but upgrading it to something better than a Texas high school football stadium for the World Cup seems like a reasonable expectation. These are some MLS stadiums with similar capacities to BMO in Cincinatti and Nashville:
These stadiums aren't expandable though, are they? As much as we may lament the design of BMO it does allow it to be temporarily expanded for specific events. Unfortunately the World Cup is one of those events for temporary rather than permanent expansion.

As for the North Stand, that entire area is currently cut off from the rest of the stadium as it is being prepped for the luxury boxes being built there.

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