Monarch Butterfly
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Tell us about your trip to El Salvador... if you get back.
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Admiral Beez
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Seasoned traveler here. Even at home I have no FB, IG or other social media apps (including YouTube) on my phone (or iPad). My mobile browsers have no bookmarks or saved passwords, and self clear the history after shutdown. As a mid-50s guy the fact that I have no social media apps is not a red flag to anyone. Nor do I have any mobile banking/payment apps on my phone or iPad - that's just smart security. It's not a suspicion-provoking burner phone either, so I still have lots of apps for transit, travel, currency convertors, news, etc., just nothing personal.
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Admiral Beez
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Provided you're not in prison, it actually looks like a nice place to visit. The president has essentially cleared the streets of gangs.
UtakataNoAnnex
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She didn't. Her team forgot to pass her the ball... /bleh
Richard White
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Personally I'd love to visit Moscow!
I remember years ago while doing a virtual tour of Moscow, the guide took care to not show the state police building (former KGB headquarters).
I believe she said.. unless we want to end the tour early, we won't be able to show you that!
Mihairokov
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By foregoing human rights, yes. It's why they're so eager to help the US in foregoing theirs, too.
picard102
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Yes and there are no LGBTQ people in Chechnya or Iran.
Admiral Beez
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I was on a Viking cruise booked for St. Petersburg in the summer 2022. Of course the itinerary was changed so we went to Gdańsk. When/if Russia finds a post-Putin path to normalcy I will try again.
Admiral Beez
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I think if we asked the people of El Salvador they may say it’s a far trade. The country was run by gangs until the crackdown.
Opinion polling on the Nayib Bukele presidency - Wikipedia
It’s a democracy, if the people don’t like Bukele they can toss him out.
Mihairokov
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You understand how it's silly to assume that if a government suspends human rights to round up "criminals" that they could just as easily suspend those same rights for voting too, right?
Admiral Beez
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Sure, and it would appear to me that those who voted for Trump and Bukele cared more about their causes (crime, drugs, immigration, whatever) than human rights. It won’t be the first last time that people freely vote against their own interests.
UtakataNoAnnex
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I should one day go into depth about why human rights/civil liberties are not things that should ever be put to a vote. At all. And while those who run for public offices are free to disagree with them, they need to respect and honour them as it protects them and their supporters too. It's a baseline to which peeps can co-exist with each other peacefully and civilly without killing each other. And thus should be left untouched by any polls for the ages. And to put that mildly.I think if we asked the people of El Salvador they may say it’s a far trade. The country was run by gangs until the crackdown.
Opinion polling on the Nayib Bukele presidency - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
It’s a democracy, if the people don’t like Bukele they can toss him out.
Admiral Beez
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Our own Constitution allows for the suspension of human rights (at least those in the Charter) and disregarding the Supreme Court if deemed necessary by the legislatures or Ottawa. Every time Canadians vote we choose the leader who may one day suspend those rights, such as Quebec’s clearly unconstitutional secularism law, Bill 21.That’s why we (and Americans, El Salvadorans, and anyone in a democracy) should always be careful who we vote for, since yes indeed human rights are put to a vote every time. Let’s hope Americans understand this when/if they next vote in Nov. 2026 in the midterms, and for the White House in Nov. 2029.
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Northern Light
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They might well. Though I think that doesn't necessarily speak well for the people and perhaps even less of the opposing candidates.
Can they? The Constitution of Salvador clearly stated that Bukele could not seek a second term in a row.
But the Supreme Court........a court which was occupied by a majority of Bukele appointees after he deposed 5 sitting justices ....decided the law didn't really matter after all.
Democracy is a fragile thing.
Northern Light
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I agree with the gist of your point..........but I feel a need to add some clarity.
The notwithstanding clause does allow curtailment of certain fundamental freedoms, for a period of up to 5 years (after which the clause must be reinvoked).
However, it does not apply to sections 3-6 of the Charter, nor to sections 16-23.
So a the NWC cannot be used to suppress voting rights, democratic rights, mobility rights or language rights.
Agreed.
Ummm, tiny little point, the election in question is scheduled for November 2028, not 2029. The (presumably) new President would be inaugurated in January, 2029. (easy way to remember, American elections are always in even-numbered years)
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