The problem is that he means what he says and tries to implement it. Alligator Alcatraz is one example. And a huge increase in ICE funding in the Big Ugly Bill is another.
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UtakataNoAnnex
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...they might as well be the same thing. Edicts from the WH (EO's and bills) are done on whims and not really on facts here.
Mihairokov
Active Member
Right, but then when his advisors are briefing him on the Bill he says he doesn't want it to affect medicaid recipients and they have to inform him it's already been written and it does affect them. I get the feeling his advisors keep him in an information bubble with his only way outside of that being TV news.
Things like Alligator Auschwitz are just things he expresses desire for and then it's built without any sort of oversight or second-thinking, so things like it immediately flooding after rainfall happen. Nothing this adminstration does is at all serious from a policy planning perspective outside of the subterranean policies coming out of Project25.
Northern Light
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The Trump 'Big Bill' has passed.
evandyk
Senior Member
If it’s flooding now, just wait until a hurricane blows through.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
This will go down in history as one of the greatest examples of the people voting against their interest.
UtakataNoAnnex
Senior Member
....nice burn there!
The thing here is they're entertaining the idea of alligators eating encamped immigrants should make anyone reasoned stomach turn. It's really beyond the pale, to put it mildly. /bleh
UtakataNoAnnex
Senior Member
Anyways, here's the horror story particulars of that bill unfolding...
Trump’s tax and spending bill passes Congress in major win for president
Early-morning negotiations proved enough to persuade hardline House conservatives to back bill
www.theguardian.com
Monarch Butterfly
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Not to worry, with Donald terminating satellite data considered crucial to storm forecasting, no one will know.
EBT
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Contained in this bill is a provision making interest on car loans tax-deductible, but only for American-made vehicles. It is worth about $2,000 for American buyers of new cars and represents a massive non-tariff barrier for Canadian-assembled vehicles. Combined with Trump's tariffs on vehicles, I think this is the final nail in the Canadian automobile industry as we have known it for decades.
I learned in late April that this tax provision was going to be in Trump's big, beautiful bill, and I alerted PM Carney's office along with Doug Ford and various industry stakeholders, e.g., unions, industry associations, and media. For over 3 months, I sent numerous follow-up emails as the bill passed its first hurdle in the House about a month ago. I have never seen any acknowledgement from anyone, nor have I seen any reports that the Canadian government has complained about this non-tariff barrier that violates the terms of the USCMA agreement.
UtakataNoAnnex
Senior Member
^With all the other awful provisions in that bill, I'm pretty sure it's going to do diddlysquat to their economy at best.
Admiral Beez
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Removing illegals from the economy may cause a shock that eventually drives innovation. With no desperate, cheap and plentiful labour, the US agricultural, meat packing and manufacturing sectors may need to follow the EU example and investment in technology, like this US farm from 10 years ago using a Dutch automated lettuce harvester. For example, a Danish pork plant uses robots and automation for many tasks where a US plant would use thousands of hands. Here's a strawberry farm that uses automation for harvesting. Japan, where there are no TFWs and the population is shrinking, relies even more on automated farming.
Hotels and restaurants may be forced to increase their wages as the pool of illegals dries up. The next ten years are going to be chaos for the US economy, but in the end there will be benefits from the removal of illegals from the labour pool.
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With all of the cuts to research, I’m not so sure about the US being a leader in innovation.
And the “removing illegals” rhetoric is gross in the face of the rounding up of people and taking them to places like Alligator Auschwitz and the multiple reports that many of those being detained are guilty of nothing other than being brown and certainly aren’t violent criminals.
And the “removing illegals” rhetoric is gross in the face of the rounding up of people and taking them to places like Alligator Auschwitz and the multiple reports that many of those being detained are guilty of nothing other than being brown and certainly aren’t violent criminals.
Northern Light
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I think this would be the optimistic take on what's possible and desirable............do I think that's the most likely outcome? I'm a bit less settled on that.
Equally, it has always been possible to reduce the supply of illegal labour.........somewhat more gently, and the use of pseudo-gestapo, even for show..........really isn't justified.
In agriculture/meat packing etc. Its less about the U.S. being a leader, than less of a laggard. Their reliance on an exploited, class of near-slave labour has left them under-invested in already extant technology, because its been cheaper to pay someone sub minimum wage to work miserable conditions, knowing they wont' complain to government for fear of deportation.
Admiral Beez
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I agree, it is horrendous. To avoid this fate, if one is in the US illegally, go home or otherwise leave. If you've spent decades in the USA illegally, well that's on you, and one had to think that one day the gig would be up. I expect thousands will come to Canada.