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T3G
Senior Member
If the Flexitys were one long piece of vehicle, then I could see that, but wouldn't the fact that they're each individual car bodies would negate this concern?
Jonny5
Senior Member
There were some comments from Steve Munro that the TTC isn't enthusiastic about splitting routes on two different streets unless absolutely necessary, such as eastbound on Queen is blocked or otherwise impassable for some reason.
Also, they think riders prioritise the direct subway connection and do not want to have to walk any distance to make that transfer.
Essentially, TTC Ops never wanted the extra Adelaide connection, and they will probably almost never use it unless there are no other options.
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nfitz
Superstar
I don't understand why this would be an issue, given that it can handle horizontal curves so much better than the longer spacing in the CLRVs which would often swing quite far towards the sidewalk at a 90-degree (or more) horizontal corner.
Also, there's no track on Richmond between Peter and Spadina - so I don't know what you'd alter.
DSCToronto
Superstar
This email provides you with a progress update on the King/Church construction work.
The project team would like to announce that, weather permitting, crews are expected to complete restoration and sidewalk reconstruction by Friday, Aug. 15.
At that time, the fence surrounding the area will be removed. However, traffic barrels will remain in place and the intersection will remain closed to vehicles while TTC crews begin testing activities.
The intersection will fully reopen to live traffic and bus service will resume by the morning of Monday, Aug. 18. Streetcar service is scheduled to resume on Saturday, Aug.31.
This milestone marks a significant step forward in the project, restoring access through a key downtown intersection and supporting improved transit flow.
Thank you for your patience as we completed this important infrastructure upgrade.
I can add that they are now working on poor margins and concrete in the Church to Jarvis block and will, I assume, do same thing in the Yonge to Church blocks before the streeetcars return - the City have also marked many areas of defective sidewalk ON Church Street for replacement, no idea if they will actually get to these this year but we shall see.The project team would like to announce that, weather permitting, crews are expected to complete restoration and sidewalk reconstruction by Friday, Aug. 15.
At that time, the fence surrounding the area will be removed. However, traffic barrels will remain in place and the intersection will remain closed to vehicles while TTC crews begin testing activities.
The intersection will fully reopen to live traffic and bus service will resume by the morning of Monday, Aug. 18. Streetcar service is scheduled to resume on Saturday, Aug.31.
This milestone marks a significant step forward in the project, restoring access through a key downtown intersection and supporting improved transit flow.
Thank you for your patience as we completed this important infrastructure upgrade.
nfitz
Superstar
The next Saturday August 31 is in 2030 - so that sounds about right.
Though given that 503/504 have currently got 46 cars in service in AM peak (50 in PM peak) compared to 43 cars before construction started (39 in PM peak), I don't know why they wouldn't restart streetcar service asap. (though perhaps there's other track/overhead issues that won't be ready until the end of August.
DSCToronto
Superstar
Yes, they have electrical work to do.
nfitz
Superstar
I wonder what TTC will be testing between August 15 and August 18.
Jonny5
Senior Member
I passed by Jarvis and King this morning and the workers were dismantling and removing the traffic pylons en masse.
Northern Light
Superstar
I'm sure this was asked/answered earlier, but I'm forgetting............
@DSCToronto does this work include any upgrades to the King St stops?
@DSCToronto does this work include any upgrades to the King St stops?
DSCToronto
Superstar
If you mean the promised temporary platforms. the answer is no - but I assume this is a separate project that really involves no 'construction' : the platforms are modular and can be put in place in a couple of hours overnight. I assume, correctly??, that they are still planning to do this once the real construction is done.
If you mean did they replace rails at any stops, the answer seems to be they did this in some locations between Bathurst and River, most recently a block just west of Sumach/Cherry. @GameOnBrad had a photo of this work a few weeks ago.
T3G
Senior Member
Why was it even built?
nightstreak
Active Member
I was no fan of Rob Ford but this is the kind of "gravy" that was actually at City Hall and he did nothing about. Millions of dollars are spent building infrastructure that needs to be torn apart soon after and/or remediated with temporary solutions, due to the city's lack of coordination between departments.
I walked down to King Street and the sidewalks and roads were completely torn apart at these two stops on Church. Instead of rebuilding the sidewalk to the curb where it is supposed to go according to the King Street Transit Priority Corridor approved by City Council in 2019, the city is going to rebuild the road, finish it with asphalt, paint it and then never use it as a road, then adding a temporary sidewalk on top of that road—instead of just building the sidewalk in the correct place.
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nightstreak
Active Member
What's worse, this exact section of King Street is subject to an upcoming redevelopment that is "less temporary". Because this watermain and track work rebuild are their own thing, there is zero coordination with the upcoming installation of these less temporary public realm features, slated to be completed in 2025. In other words: this sidewalk is going to get torn up soon after the work is completed. What the actual F*.
DSCToronto
Superstar
Today they are paving the asphalt areas at the four corners on King/Church and generally tidying up.