[GameOnBrad]

Looking at @GameOnBrad 's photo the No-Left sign is barely visible next to the right side signal. To my eye it doesn't look like there are any time restrictions on it below the symbol, just the caveat that TTC Vehicles are excepted.

If there's a higher resolution or zoomed in photo you could share @GameOnBrad then we could be certain without waiting for someone to pay a visit.

It was changed recently. If you check Google Streetview, it has a time range but now it says...

The reason I think it was changed recently is because they also have this sign at Queen and River, where Queen and King merge.

 

[trafficexplorerON]

On the subject of cluttered signage and signals:
I have previously heard that the MTO did a "feasibility study" on allowing shaped white transit signals (as well as red arrows) in the HTA, but they somehow concluded that what we had was "still sufficient for now". That was from an email response I got from them about a year ago, so I don't know anything about that study, including when it was conducted or how they could have came to that conclusion after driving for more than 10 minutes in downtown Toronto.

Until then, I think a minor improvement would be allowing "bicycle signal" and "transit signal" signs to have symbols (the word "BICYCLE" is replaced with a bicycle symbol, like in the US, and the word "SIGNAL" stays.) This would also allow for bike signals and transit signals to be combined more easily, as they can have something like " SIGNAL" on a sign instead of have too much word clutter. Only problems are that these too aren't supported by the OTM, plus these signs still wouldn't be effective if there are too many different symbols that you have to put on that sign.

 

[DSCToronto]

On the subject of cluttered signage and signals:
I have previously heard that the MTO did a "feasibility study" on allowing shaped white transit signals (as well as red arrows) in the HTA, but they somehow concluded that what we had was "still sufficient for now". That was from an email response I got from them about a year ago, so I don't know anything about that study, including when it was conducted or how they could have came to that conclusion after driving for more than 10 minutes in downtown Toronto.

Until then, I think a minor improvement would be allowing "bicycle signal" and "transit signal" signs to have symbols (the word "BICYCLE" is replaced with a bicycle symbol, like in the US, and the word "SIGNAL" stays.) This would also allow for bike signals and transit signals to be combined more easily, as they can have something like " SIGNAL" on a sign instead of have too much word clutter. Only problems are that these too aren't supported by the OTM, plus these signs still wouldn't be effective if there are too many different symbols that you have to put on that sign.

Yes, MTO needs to move into at least the early 2000s

 

[EYorker]

I wonder.

I noticed this at Queen and Broadview on the weekend and I've also seen this on the QQ for buses. I'm curious if they plan to do this for sections of King Street as well or is this just a special circumstance?

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This particular installation at Queen/Broadview was put in temporarily due to the King/Church closure.

It did go through TEYCC first before being approved by City Council. Whether it remains temporary remains to be seen, but I'd like to see it become permanent.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

It was chamged recently. If you check Google Streetview, it has a time range but now it says...

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The reason I think it was changed recently is because they also have this sign at Queen and River, where Queen and King merge.

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Why not use RED turn signals? Because MTO knows better than the rest of us.

At least Toronto should have the no right turns on red signals, except on a green arrow, like they do in Montréal and New York City and in Europe.

 

[trafficexplorerON]

Why not use RED turn signals? Because MTO knows better than the rest of us.
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At least Toronto should have the no right turns on red signals, except on a green arrow, like they do in Montréal and New York City and in Europe.
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I don't see how what this has to do with the post you quoted? Why would red arrows be used at that intersection if most vehicles can't turn left at all? AFAIK stretch of King street doesn't have any dedicated turning signals.

 

[DSCToronto]

This particular installation at Queen/Broadview was put in temporarily due to the King/Church closure.

It did go through TEYCC first before being approved by City Council. Whether it remains temporary remains to be seen, but I'd like to see it become permanent.

The Council motion does allow for the possibility of the 'experiment' being continued/modified.

The Director, Traffic Management, Transportation Services recommends that:
1. City Council authorize amendments to parking and traffic regulations as set out in Attachment 1 to take effect from September 2, 2025, until regular Toronto Transit Commission streetcar service has resumed at the intersection of King Street and Dufferin Street.
2. City Council direct the General Manager, Transportation Services, in consultation with the Chief Executive Officer, Toronto Transit Commission, to collect traffic and transit data, monitor the performance of the transit priority measures, subject to data availability.
3. City Council delegate, despite any City of Toronto By-law to the contrary, to the General Manager, Transportation Services, from September 2, 2025, to December 31, 2025, inclusive, for the purposes of implementing and thena ddressing any operation and/or safety issues that may arise in relation to the project identified in Part 1 above, the authority to implement changes and submit directly to Council any necessary bills for by-law amendments to the schedules to City of Toronto Code Chapters on the streets and within the parameters as identified in Attachment 2 to the report (June 2, 2025) from the General Manager, Transportation Services.

SEE: https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2025/te/bgrd/backgroundfile-256674.pdf

 

[drum118]

Why not use RED turn signals? Because MTO knows better than the rest of us.
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At least Toronto should have the no right turns on red signals, except on a green arrow, like they do in Montréal and New York City and in Europe.
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You will find a lot of no turn on red signs in the US today. In Nashville, lot of intersection are setup with scramble crossing only and not allow to cross on green for traffic

 

[bearcat]

Yes, that faded yellow means nothing! I think the problem with red paint is that it means ONLY transit can go there, on King other vehicles CAN go on all blocks but just can't go straight through. The signage would be clearer if there were not exceptions for taxis overnight but the way they have set the traffic lights has helped. Regular vehicles never get a plain green light at King & Church (or do they vary it when cabs are allowed to go straight??) - generally non-transit get green arrows and there is a green transit only signal and a green bike signal. Though I also wish it was clearer, in fact there really are very few vehicles driving straight down King (when it is open at all!!) compared to the way it was before the Transit Mall Project started.

Get rid of all or most the left turn on King please lol, then mark the right lane as right turn only (bicycles excepted) or right and straight wherever that makes sense...

I wish King can be a true demonstration of how great trams can be if cars aren't treated as the first priority

 

[afransen]

Get rid of all or most the left turn on King please lol, then mark the right lane as right turn only (bicycles excepted) or right and straight wherever that makes sense...

I wish King can be a true demonstration of how great trams can be if cars aren't treated as the first priority

The King St Pilot was intentionally sabotaged by the taxi exemption. If the taxi exemption were eliminated, the signaling could be streamlined considerably.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

The King St Pilot was intentionally sabotaged by the taxi exemption. If the taxi exemption were eliminated, the signaling could be streamlined considerably.

Would have been even worse if in the future they exempted autonomous motor vehicles, with no driver.

 

[nfitz]

The King St Pilot was intentionally sabotaged by the taxi exemption. If the taxi exemption were eliminated, the signaling could be streamlined considerably.

Yes, but it shouldn't impact the paint. You could also pass a by-law I'd think that exempts taxis from time X to time X without needing signage saying so.

 

[GameOnBrad]

These guys are not skipping a beat. Sumach to River on King is full steam ahead.

 

[DSCToronto]

These guys are not skipping a beat. Sumach to River on King is full steam ahead.

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Great, now they just need to do the margins and a few other rough spots between Yonge and Jarvis - I assume they will do this once King/Church reopens (late next week?) and before the streetcars return (early September I understand). There are also several places marked for new or replacement poles between Yonge and River - I assume these may get done before Labour Day but ....

 

[GameOnBrad]

King and Church is definitely close to being finished. They are not working this weekend though from what I can see.

I think they will be done next week.