nfitz
Superstar
It's not design for North Bay to Toronto travel. That's the point. ONTC has much faster buses for that. (assuming they don't cancel them once the train is running).
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Bordercollie
Senior Member
Then what is it designed for?
nfitz
Superstar
For points north of North Bay, and connecting the far north to the south.
If this was about cities like North Bay, they'd be looking at restoring Toronto to Sudbury, North Bay to Sudbury, and North Bay to Ottawa service with other than buses.
ShonTron
Moderator
Tillsonburg's inter-community bus services are ending April 1.
Around the same time, Grey County will cease operating all transit services except Dundalk-Shelburne-Orangeville. PC Connect will also end the intra-county route between Listowel and Stratford, but maintain the Listowel-Waterloo and K-W-Stratford and Stratford-St. Marys-London routes.
The provincial funding grants are drying up, and the local municipalities don't want to pay for the services on their own.
Around the same time, Grey County will cease operating all transit services except Dundalk-Shelburne-Orangeville. PC Connect will also end the intra-county route between Listowel and Stratford, but maintain the Listowel-Waterloo and K-W-Stratford and Stratford-St. Marys-London routes.
The provincial funding grants are drying up, and the local municipalities don't want to pay for the services on their own.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
How was the ridership?
Sauga89
Active Member
I think Grey County Transit from what I've read had 28,000 riders in 2024, on its four routes, with four round trips per day on each route. There were another 3,000 I think on its fifth route, which was cut in the fall, for about 31,000 total. That's about 85 riders per day on all five routes.
Note that routes 1/2 and 3/4 were just continuations of each other, so it was really just two long routes, and not four shorter ones. I don't know if they counted riders twice if they stayed on route 2 after it transitioned from route 1. If they weren't double counted, that's 14,000 riders per route per year, or about 47 per day per route, or about 6 per one-way trip (3 per trip if they were all double counted).
The GOST Guelph-Owen Sound bus is a separate service that is also losing funding. It carried 12,000 per year last year (2 round trips per day), but has been extended until March 2026 with money leftover from its original grant.
(EDIT: I realized Grey County eliminated weekend service on May 1st, 2024, so I corrected the math to account for the fewer days.)
Note that routes 1/2 and 3/4 were just continuations of each other, so it was really just two long routes, and not four shorter ones. I don't know if they counted riders twice if they stayed on route 2 after it transitioned from route 1. If they weren't double counted, that's 14,000 riders per route per year, or about 47 per day per route, or about 6 per one-way trip (3 per trip if they were all double counted).
The GOST Guelph-Owen Sound bus is a separate service that is also losing funding. It carried 12,000 per year last year (2 round trips per day), but has been extended until March 2026 with money leftover from its original grant.
(EDIT: I realized Grey County eliminated weekend service on May 1st, 2024, so I corrected the math to account for the fewer days.)
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ShonTron
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I updated my intercity map. I have started to mark discontinued services rather than simply remove them from the map.
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Northern Light
Superstar
Last Fall Simcoe County got its recommendations back on its Transportation Master Plan....
Something I failed to notice at the time.....
From here: https://simcoe.civicweb.net/documen...1.pdf?handle=515157953B6D47F29E049E6202E45AE0
This:
Something I failed to notice at the time.....
From here: https://simcoe.civicweb.net/documen...1.pdf?handle=515157953B6D47F29E049E6202E45AE0
This:
lenaitch
Senior Member
It will be interesting how they interpret the scope of Point 3 (on the left), since the cities of Barrie and Orillia are legally not part of the County.
ShonTron
Moderator
There are several shared services already between the county and the two cities, including ambulance. It’s definitely feasible.
Simcoe County really should have been set up as a Regional Municipality like York or Durham back in the 1970s, but I digress.
lenaitch
Senior Member
True, but I'm not sure there has been any amalgamation of any city and County services. Barrie and Orillia are considered 'service partners' of Simcoe County EMS. Other than probably mutual aid agreements, I can't think of any city services that are provided to the County. LINX obviously runs into the both cities, and Barrie Transit used to run the Angus/Borden but I don't think they do anymore.
I think back in the '70s it would have been more feasibly but with the explosive growth of not only Barrie but New Tec, the imbalances between the high population lower tiers like Barrie and the likes of Tay or Ramara would have become problematic. It would be like leaving Toronto in York County.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
Regardless of whether Linx and Barrie Transit are actually amalgamated, they should really improve cost sharing and fare agreements.
Currently Linx route 1 (Midland-Barrie) and Route 3 (Orillia-Barrie) end at Georgian College on the edge of Barrie, and people need to transfer to Barrie Transit (paying an additional fare) to continue into the city. Instead, Linx should be extended through the downtown terminal to Allandale Station, taking over one of the routes currently operated by Barrie Transit. Cost sharing agreements would be required to compensate Linx for the service would be providing to Barrie, and fare agreements are required to enable Barrie customers to ride Linx buses within the city with ordinary Barrie Transit tickets.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
It should be folded into Metrolinx and have Integrated fares to get on GO transit.
That would really help people get out of cars. First and last linx bus should meet GO Bus or trains.
lenaitch
Senior Member
That would really make a lot of sense. The original mandate of LINX was to provide linkage to post secondary campus' and/or hospitals.
Should everything be operated by Metrolinx? Why not K-W agencies? Brampton? Hamilton?
Bordercollie
Senior Member
In a way it is since they accept Presto