Bojaxs
Senior Member
I did the entire line.
When I approached Humber College, the curve dropped my avg. speed from 16km/h to 14km/h.
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When I approached Humber College, the curve dropped my avg. speed from 16km/h to 14km/h.
JMSRead
Active Member
Wow. If we're really talking about going from 55 minutes at launch to 30 with signal priority that feels like a major win. Certainly well beyond what I thought was reasonable to hope for.
lastcommodore
Active Member
I think people have reasonably been burnt out heavily from both the "Subway vs LRT" debate alongside the anemic speeds of the current streetcar and the dedicated ROW streetcar lines of the Harbourfront, Spadina, St. Clair, etc. Dreaming of a better tram felt like waiting for the second coming of Christ, except the latter felt more likely to occur in our lifetimes.
The initial failure of 6 FW made most people instinctively go "Oh, all of our lines have been screwed for decades now, and now we just have another line joining the pack."
Now that the city seems to actually be doing something and dragging themselves to speed up 6 due to the blowback, and now results are starting to trickle in... we're now starting to dream again. I'm starting to dream too of a sub-30 6 FW
Voltz
Senior Member
The LRT doomsday proclaimers won't know what to do with themselves.
thenorth
New Member
What really exists me too is that we’ll be able apply the lessons learned on Finch West to the downtown streetcars. Especially around TSP.
Bojaxs
Senior Member
I reckon only with the downtown streetcars that have their own ROW. I feel the city will maintain the status quo for streetcars in mixed traffic.
thenorth
New Member
I understand why you feel that way, but I’m optimistic that you’re wrong. Especially after the success of RapidTO on Bathurst and Dufferin.
It’s my opinion that all the streetcar routes should get the RapidTO treatment with effective signal priority. It would be awesome if we could get the streetcars up to 18 km/h on average, which would be about 50% faster than they are now, if my memory serves me correctly.
NY99
Active Member
Anyone who has ever used the foolish term “car-brained” on this forum should ponder this message. And maybe wait until they reach the age of majority before they resume posting.
thenorth
New Member
It would be game changing. And really makes me think we should prioritize an extension to the Airport.
30 mins runtime from Finch West to Humber College means 40 to 45 mins runtime to Pearson Airport. So someone could get from VMC to the Airport in just about an hour. Absolutely game changing.
NY99
Active Member
Rapidto where feasible…
But even where it’s not, there’s a TON of good that can be done:
1) switch upgrades at intersections
2) stop rationalization
3) Better TSP*
4) strategic limitations on left turns/through movements
5) Quicker door openings and closings**
6) proper level boarding for ROW/island stops
7) permission to just friggin gun it
* what about this: a way for streetcars to extend a yellow light long enough to clear a backlog of left-turning cars in front of them, allowing them to move forward before the end of the phase? Idk I’m the furthest thing from an expert here, but I’d love to hear thoughts on this idea.
** I feel like this is an underrated issue. The doors are soooooooooooooooooo slooooowwwwww. Not only that, late-arriving passengers have an endless ability to re-open them.
Thank you Finch West for sh*tting the bed so bad we’re now taking travel times seriously!
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thenorth
New Member
The doors on Line 5 open a lot faster than on the streetcars. No idea why. TTC should align their door operation procedures with Line 5.
T3G
Senior Member
I appreciate your belief in your fellow man, but where do you think those politicians come from? They come from the communities they represent and in many cases embody the attitudes of those communities, they didn't drop out of the sky from another planet. And it doesn't take a lot of searching to find people who drive in the suburbs that are against transit being given any kind of special privileges. I used to get into arguments with people I know about this subject all the time, that it was unfair to penalize drivers for not choosing transit. One of them, who, ironically, claimed to be a transit fan was against transit only lanes, because it was tantamount to communism to give one group special privileges. And if you read under the FB comments on any random article about transit, they're not exactly rare. Hell, despite what the revisionists on this site try to tell you, the only reason Rob Ford so aggressively promoted a subways only agenda is because he hated surface transit and didn't want it to get in his way as a motorist. Guess what kind of transit doesn't get in a motorist's way?
This post summed up: anyone who promotes an idea you disagree with is a child. That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, so thanks for playing, maybe next time you can refute the argument.
NY99
Active Member
I think the biggest game changer would the section from Humber College to Woodbine GO.
We need to seriously prioritize building this extension. Now. If nothing else, because of how cheap it is: an elevated guideway along a straight-shot path through low-density industrial, with perhaps 1 new station at Rexdale. Only complication being the approach at Woodbine GO itself.
Currently, to get from Union to Humber College, a student must take Line 1 all the way up to Finch and transfer to Line 6. Thats a very slow journey — a fact for which Line 1 shoulders much of the blame.
With the Line 6 extension, the same student could instead take the UP to the new Woodbine station and transfer to the extension. A blazing-fast 2-stop journey later, and you’re at Humber.
The time savings would genuinely be life-changing for a lot of people.
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ownthesky
Active Member
To add, something like 1 in 6 workers in the GTA work in the Pearson Economic Zone. People often think airport = passengers, but the reality is the airport is surrounded by employers that are not well served by rapid transit. I do wager nothing will be done until Pearson's transit hub is finalized.
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
It looks like it's a different mechanism for opening them between the two models.