[hw621]

sometimes you gotta know what the bad looks like before you know what good is.

They didn't know what bad looks like during testing?

 

[generalcanada]

They didn't know what bad looks like during testing?

they being toronto residents? how many people here actually knew?
it took thousands of complaints to chow for her to change city policies

 

[T3G]

They didn't know what bad looks like during testing?

It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If they had TSP from the get go you'd have thousands of complaints about extra red lights from the car brained suburbanites who think that transit getting special privileges means that their personal rights are being violated.

 

[Bojaxs]

Did this Canadian company not have what the city was looking for? Toronto wanted signals along Finch with "Lidar" tech, and Miovision didn't offer such tech?

Also, is this contract being procured after Finch West's completion? Because I thought TSP was built into the line?

 

[hawc]

 

[Undead]

sometimes you gotta know what the bad looks like before you know what good is.

Can't have light without the dark

Are there any updates on whether they’ve improved operations? i.e. faster acceleration from stops and higher top speed in between them

 

[generalcanada]

Did this Canadian company not have what the city was looking for? Toronto wanted signals along Finch with "Lidar" tech, and Miovision didn't offer such tech?

Also, is this contract being procured after Finch West's completion? Because I thought TSP was built into the line?

yea this is a non-story. the ceo even confirms it but tries to shrug it off

"if im riding it i dont care what technology is used as long as it works well"

City was looking for something he didnt provide
goes to the media when he loses a contract

the buy canadian rules arent super strict for a reason

 

[Bojaxs]

yea this is a non-story. the ceo even confirms it but tries to shrug it off

"if im riding it i dont care what technology is used as long as it works well"

City was looking for something he didnt provide
goes to the media when he loses a contract

the buy canadian rules arent super strict for a reason

Yeah, that comment caught my attention as well. Surely using the right tech should matter.

But you got the quote slightly wrong. He talked about "driving around", never mentioned "riding".

Throughout the interview he talks a lot about their signals serving "drivers", but makes no references to the fact that these signals are for improving a transit line and is more about serving "riders".

 

[Rainforest]

Key word being "reduces". I never claimed it entirley does away with issues surrounding labour strikes.

Automation helps to deter the impact of when operators/ drivers go on strike.

TTC strikes are not that frequent to design the transit operations around avoiding the strikes. But even looking from that angle: it is likely that the people who operate the control centre will be in the same union as the drivers.

If the union goes on strike, then the control centre will be on strike too.

If the union is not on strike, then I don't think one particular transit line can be on strike individually; automated or not.

 

[Rainforest]

Well let's what the improved TSP can achieve.

And once the TSP-driven improvements reach the practical limit, I guess the next issue to look at is the Alstrom car design and their acceleration profile. If they are considerably worse than the cars purchaced for Line 5, then maybe the Alstrom vehicles can be gradually rebuilt to improve their acceleration.

 

[smallspy]

Are there any updates on whether they’ve improved operations? i.e. faster acceleration from stops and higher top speed in between them

I rode the line a couple of days before the TSP was instituted on those three intersections, and already it felt faster. I rode from Finch West to Islington Ave., and while I didn't have a stopwatch on the trip was a shade under a half-hour. However...

At a good number of stops the operator accelerated from a standstill after closing the doors, then had to momentarily apply the brake as he had accelerated enough to put it into overspeed.

This will hopefully get fixed before too long as they increase the speed limits on the line, but already it's pretty irritating.

Dan

 

[Leo_Chan]

Did this Canadian company not have what the city was looking for? Toronto wanted signals along Finch with "Lidar" tech, and Miovision didn't offer such tech?

Also, is this contract being procured after Finch West's completion? Because I thought TSP was built into the line?

Well it isn't the first time the TTC didn't look to other Ontario examples for help.

This is referring to the lack of looking to Kitchener ION LRT for operational advice by staff at the first post opening board meeting.

It is surprising that actual physical infrastructure was missing from the line to support this.

 

[zang]

Well it isn't the first time the TTC didn't look to other Ontario examples for help.

I don't blame them; the natural impetus would be to look for cities of similar size and density, and those just don't really exist in Ontario.

 

[FW36]

One thing that frustrates me is the LRT still slows down to 30km per hour when crossing an intersection, and in some sections it goes slow. I hope once TSP is sloved the city increases the speed limit and removes speed restrictions when crossing intersection. I think if City does all three actions, the LRT could be way better.

 

[hw621]

One thing that frustrates me is the LRT still slows down to 30km per hour when crossing an intersection, and in some sections it goes slow. I hope once TSP is sloved the city increases the speed limit and removes speed restrictions when crossing intersection. I think if City does all three LRT could be way better.

Three LRTs?