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FW36 said:
I meant 3 actions
1. Improve TSP
2. Increase speed limits
3. Remove speed restrictions crossing intersection.

If City does all three actions, I imagine the LRT would run more smoothly
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As far as the line speed goes, the City granted this line and Eglinton derogation from the street speed limit (50km/h) so the LRVs may run at up to 60km/h on the surface. Obviously depending on stop spacing the trams won't be able to make that on all portions of the line even if #1 and #3 were addressed.

What does amuse me somewhat is overhead shots which have been posted of cars and even buses overtaking the trams. While I imagine the buses need to keep somewhat close to the speed limit, they aren't subject to dynamic speed governance as the trams are, and definitely not the autos - and it's not like we can have photo radar to keep the latter in check any more thanks to Doug.
 
T3G said:
It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If they had TSP from the get go you'd have thousands of complaints about extra red lights from the car brained suburbanites who think that transit getting special privileges means that their personal rights are being violated.
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I don't think so. I think that argument is something created by your gutless Mayor and company to make it look like they are taking a "balanced" approach.

Just because people drive in the suburbs doesn't mean that they don't appreciate that transit is vital to the workings of the city. They appreciate, as much as your average transit user, that it is only fair that a vehicle carrying 20 or 30 people has priority over a vehicle carrying one or two. I've never heard such people get mad at the addition of HOV lanes because they personally won't use them and ditto for bus-lanes. I've never heard anyone complain that they have to stop for GO or VIA train at a crossing. They may be ticked that they have to wait for a train to go by but nobody thinks that they shouldn't have priority.

Added to this, car drivers are also taxpayers. They don't like to see billions of their hard earned tax dollars go to waste all because City Hall can't figure out TSP. Remember this line is on Finch and the vast majority of people using the road are Torontonians themselves. Chances are these much maligned drivers were once transit users too, especially for those who went to post-secondary. They know what it's like to crawl on a bus.

Just because someone drives does not mean they are unreasonable, that job has been taken by your politicians.
 
thenorth said:
Major vibe shift in this thread hahaha
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Definitely. The 34 minutes ML originally stated for Line 6 was slow to begin with. Now that it sounds like they'll hit sub-30 and usually beat the bus speed, and do it in a nicer vehicle, Line 6 is looking much better.

It also gives me hope that the slow surface section on Line 5 will improve to the point that we'll at least get what we were originally promised from the line. I also like how line 5 has given us a good deal of redundancy for dignified (sorry, 900 bus) transit trips to the airport, with its connection to UPX.

And the streetcar improvements on top of that are making Toronto transit seem, as crazy as this may sound, somewhat decent?
 
Rode Line 6 today;

Only noticed a slight improvment heading westbound. Eastbound was noticeably faster. Even if all the improvments on Line 6 are implemented, the curve at Humber College will continue to be the weakest point. My westbound driver took the curve at 5km/h. Eastbound driver took it faster at 10km/h.

Makes me concerned that the Ontario government wants to implement a downtown loop on the Hurontario line and also move forward with two tight turns on Dundurn st, instead of building the 403 bridge for the Hamilton LRT.

The eastbound train had an obvious flat spot on one of it's wheels. The sound of it got rather grating after awhile. Probably didn't help that I was sitting on one of the raised seats above the wheel well.

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Bojaxs said:
Rode Line 6 today;

Only noticed a slight improvment heading westbound. Eastbound was noticeably faster. Even if all the improvments on the line 6 are implemented, the curve at Humber College will continue to be the weakest point. Westbound the driver took the curve at 5km/h. Eastbound driver took it faster at 10km/h.

Makes me concerned that the Ontario government wants to implement a downtown loop on the Hurontario line and also move forward with two tight turns on Dundurn st, instead of building the 403 bridge for the Hamilton LRT.

The eastbound train had an obvious flat spot on one of it's wheels. The sound of it got rather grating after awhile. Probably didn't help that I was sitting on one of the raised seats above the wheel well.

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Still way too slow, needs to be at least 23 km/h as advertised.
 
CapitalSeven said:
Some problems with these ideas. Transit planning has to take into account the reality on the ground. How far apart are the major arterials? Half a mile on one city of the city, 5/8 on another. How many riders live in between, how many of those on perpendicular side roads, and how far from stops? How many do you lose if they are too far from stops. Remember, when they took out the minor stops in Etobicoke to speed up the journey, ridership estimates significantly decreased.

I've heard the duck under major intersections idea many times. If your stations are far apart, there are only stations at major intersections. So essentially you are building a line with subway stations and at-grade running, a roller coaster that maximizes costs by quintupling the cost of the stations and then energy and maintenance costs by having trains slam on the brakes to stop and stations at the bottom of a ramp, then straining the motors to climb a hill after stops. Going over major intersections is more logical, but not pretty. So eventually Why not just build a subway is the result.
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Assuming that appropriate rezoning follows, lines can be growth-shaping rather than growth-serving. Ridership will increase over time as redevelopment occurs around stations.
Increased costs for grade separating major intersection stations (at the insistence of municpalities) was the official reason for the Province switching Vancouver's Millennium Line from a planned at-grade LRT down Lougheed Highway (after much planning) to a fully elevated SkyTrain line. The different between costs of the 2 options became closer, and given the added benefits of full grade separation and automation, SkyTrain was chosen.
 
Bojaxs said:
Rode Line 6 today;

Only noticed a slight improvment heading westbound. Eastbound was noticeably faster. Even if all the improvments on the line 6 are implemented, the curve at Humber College will continue to be the weakest point. Westbound the driver took the curve at 5km/h. Eastbound driver took it faster at 10km/h.

Makes me concerned that the Ontario government wants to implement a downtown loop on the Hurontario line and also move forward with two tight turns on Dundurn st, instead of building the 403 bridge for the Hamilton LRT.

The eastbound train had an obvious flat spot on one of it's wheels. The sound of it got rather grating after awhile. Probably didn't help that I was sitting on one of the raised seats above the wheel well.

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I wonder why there is so much variability in speed. Yesterday we had some people reporting 23 km/h.

TSP rollout isn’t complete yet, so maybe the variability is a consequence of that.

Something to keep and eye on.
 
Bojaxs said:
Even if all the improvments on the line 6 are implemented, the curve at Humber College will continue to be the weakest point. Westbound the driver took the curve at 5km/h. Eastbound driver took it faster at 10km/h.
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The curve is not that long. If speed improvements were implemented on line 6 one curve would hardly set it back any considerable amount.
 
Bojaxs said:
I don't believe them.

They may have thought they were going that fast, but in actuality they weren't.

I would kindly ask those people to prove it.
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I think some people were saying 23 km/h on the part that allegedly has TSP installed. Not on the entire line

23 km/h on the entire line would get total trip time down to 27 minutes. Amazing, but light years beyond what we were originally expecting.
 
thenorth said:
I wonder why there is so much variability in speed. Yesterday we had some people reporting 23 km/h.

TSP rollout isn’t complete yet, so maybe the variability is a consequence of that.

Something to keep and eye on.
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Bojaxs said:
I don't believe them.

They may have thought they were going that fast, but in actuality they weren't.

I would kindly ask those people to prove it.
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T-Bor said:
I think some people were saying 23 km/h on the part that allegedly has TSP installed. Not on the entire line

23 km/h on the entire line would get total trip time down to 27 minutes. Amazing, but light years beyond what we were originally expecting.
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Idk if this counts as sufficient proof, but this was posted on Reddit yesterday. That same Reddit user was highly skeptical of TSP in the first place, so I doubt they’ve gone out of their way to fabricate these stats.

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It also corroborates the observed speeds in the Transmainia video from two days ago: https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/finch-west-line-6-lrt.11783/post-2355691
 
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