Steve X
Senior Member
I think they are out of funds now.
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jmi22
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Here we see one of the earliest evil developer handouts, the construction of the 7 train to Flushing, Queens in the 1910's. It famously did nothing good for the City of New York, and the city would soon thereafter fall into decline as it foolishly built rapid transit infrastructure to lands set to see a massive influx of population.
And of course here we see Rome's Line A brutally crossing under dozens of centuries (or millennia) old buildings, all of which have of course collapsed since the lines construction in 1980. Perhaps one day human civilization will discover the far off art of "underpinning". We can only hope....
On a serious note: Ford's "backroom crayoning" resulted in a better subway plan for Toronto than has been produced in decades precisely because it did not include the input of our most enlightened denizens, who seemingly have a toddlers understanding of how a building remains erect.
stevensontransit
Active Member
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yeah so why new york back then likes to build subway lines in lands that hasnt been developed yet?
jmi22
Active Member
Manhattan was very overcrowded and NYC was booming in population, so planners and the companies that built subways at the time knew the ongoing construction of rail and road crossings of the East River would result in a deluge of population into the largely rural Queens County. Essentially, it was common knowledge that demand for the land would jump once access to the amenities/economy of the CBD was improved with infrastructure projects.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
New York City originally was just the Island of Manhattan until 1898. Manhattan used to have the largest population, now Brooklyn does. Wonder what the old cities of pre-amalgamation Toronto is currently?
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T3G
Senior Member
Cool story, now tell us about the massive density that sprung up around Kennedy, or Warden. According to your logic, the presence of those subway lines should have resulted in Queens-like density, no?
dowlingm
Senior Member
A slow order appears to have been imposed on the portal to Finch West station
bsky.app
august 🍂⚾🇻🇪 (@auguststreet.ca)
painful to see slow zones on the finch west LRT before it even opens. this portal has been speed limited to 10 km/h. thanks to unplanned slow zones and weak, passive signal priority, trains are taking longer to complete trips, and gaps are wider. multiple cases of 12-15 min waits on line 6 😒😒
bsky.app
Bojaxs
Senior Member
What a joke! We should have just constructed a VIVA style BRT along Finch.A slow order appears to have been imposed on the portal to Finch West station
august 🍂⚾🇻🇪 (@auguststreet.ca)
painful to see slow zones on the finch west LRT before it even opens. this portal has been speed limited to 10 km/h. thanks to unplanned slow zones and weak, passive signal priority, trains are taking longer to complete trips, and gaps are wider. multiple cases of 12-15 min waits on line 6 😒😒
EDIT: The bus flying pass the LRV near the end of the clip was the chef's kiss.
stevensontransit
Active Member
Wow..A slow order appears to have been imposed on the portal to Finch West station
august 🍂⚾🇻🇪 (@auguststreet.ca)
painful to see slow zones on the finch west LRT before it even opens. this portal has been speed limited to 10 km/h. thanks to unplanned slow zones and weak, passive signal priority, trains are taking longer to complete trips, and gaps are wider. multiple cases of 12-15 min waits on line 6 😒😒
anb
Active Member
When Finch actually opens and I see a slow zone alongside the existing ones on the subway map, that’s when the true handover from Metrolinx to TTC will occur.A slow order appears to have been imposed on the portal to Finch West station
august 🍂⚾🇻🇪 (@auguststreet.ca)
painful to see slow zones on the finch west LRT before it even opens. this portal has been speed limited to 10 km/h. thanks to unplanned slow zones and weak, passive signal priority, trains are taking longer to complete trips, and gaps are wider. multiple cases of 12-15 min waits on line 6 😒😒
jmi22
Active Member
Pick your story:
Either transit lines are a handout to evil developers who will make undue profits building next to stations.
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Transit should not be built to undeveloped areas as developers will never build anything next to them.
Do you guys ever wonder why your genius ideas never seem to make it into the halls of government? Or would the slightest introspection be too much?
jmi22
Active Member
Everybody say a big thank you for David Miller!A slow order appears to have been imposed on the portal to Finch West station
august 🍂⚾🇻🇪 (@auguststreet.ca)
painful to see slow zones on the finch west LRT before it even opens. this portal has been speed limited to 10 km/h. thanks to unplanned slow zones and weak, passive signal priority, trains are taking longer to complete trips, and gaps are wider. multiple cases of 12-15 min waits on line 6 😒😒
The worst mayor we've had this century.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Two people have led Toronto (and Ontario) to prevent getting "good" public transit. Former Premier Mike Harris, who cut provincial operating and capital subsidies to all forms of public transit. Former Major Rob Ford, who cut city operating subsidies to Toronto pubic transit. We are still being influenced by both of them, resulting in underfunding of public transit.
T3G
Senior Member
Both of these things can be true at once (shocker, I know). If you coordinate a project with a developer, you can get density in a place that previously didn't have it, but if you don't, you get ugly, low rise sprawl like around Kennedy and Warden. Or Highway 407. Or Pioneer Village, Finch West, or Downsview Park. You bringing up the Flushing line example is something of a red herring, because you make it sound as though the presence of a subway line alone was what resulted in the area being built up, when the reality is far more complex. If you don't have forward thinking people who capitalize on such an asset, you get nothing at all, as at Downsview Park which, nearly a decade after its opening, remains surrounded by a barren, empty wasteland. Your example is a little like pointing to the Prince Edward Viaduct, which was specifically futureproofed by a forward thinking visionary, and assuming that all bridges come futureproofed.
It's quaint how you feel like the hallmark of whether an idea has any value or not is whether it makes it into the halls of power. The country's brightest minds rightfully want nothing to do with politics.
dowlingm
Senior Member
Portals don’t inherently require slow orders. Politicians should be able to propose projects in the understanding that they can be designed and executed competently - and we don’t yet know what the actual reason for the slow order is, or how long it will persist.
But at least it was a bit of chum to throw in the water to get this thread talking about Finch West again.