[stevensontransit]

A slow order appears to have been imposed on the portal to Finch West station

august 🍂 (@auguststreet.ca)

painful to see slow zones on the finch west LRT before it even opens. this portal has been speed limited to 10 km/h. thanks to unplanned slow zones and weak, passive signal priority, trains are taking longer to complete trips, and gaps are wider. multiple cases of 12-15 min waits on line 6 😒😒

bsky.app

Wow..

 

[anb]

A slow order appears to have been imposed on the portal to Finch West station

august 🍂 (@auguststreet.ca)

painful to see slow zones on the finch west LRT before it even opens. this portal has been speed limited to 10 km/h. thanks to unplanned slow zones and weak, passive signal priority, trains are taking longer to complete trips, and gaps are wider. multiple cases of 12-15 min waits on line 6 😒😒

bsky.app

When Finch actually opens and I see a slow zone alongside the existing ones on the subway map, that’s when the true handover from Metrolinx to TTC will occur.

 

[jmi22]

Cool story, now tell us about the massive density that sprung up around Kennedy, or Warden. According to your logic, the presence of those subway lines should have resulted in Queens-like density, no?

Pick your story:
Either transit lines are a handout to evil developers who will make undue profits building next to stations.
or
Transit should not be built to undeveloped areas as developers will never build anything next to them.

Do you guys ever wonder why your genius ideas never seem to make it into the halls of government? Or would the slightest introspection be too much?

 

[jmi22]

A slow order appears to have been imposed on the portal to Finch West station

august 🍂 (@auguststreet.ca)

painful to see slow zones on the finch west LRT before it even opens. this portal has been speed limited to 10 km/h. thanks to unplanned slow zones and weak, passive signal priority, trains are taking longer to complete trips, and gaps are wider. multiple cases of 12-15 min waits on line 6 😒😒

bsky.app

Everybody say a big thank you for David Miller!

The worst mayor we've had this century.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Two people have led Toronto (and Ontario) to prevent getting "good" public transit. Former Premier Mike Harris, who cut provincial operating and capital subsidies to all forms of public transit. Former Major Rob Ford, who cut city operating subsidies to Toronto pubic transit. We are still being influenced by both of them, resulting in underfunding of public transit.

 

[T3G]

Pick your story:
Either transit lines are a handout to evil developers who will make undue profits building next to stations.
or
Transit should not be built to undeveloped areas as developers will never build anything next to them.

Both of these things can be true at once (shocker, I know). If you coordinate a project with a developer, you can get density in a place that previously didn't have it, but if you don't, you get ugly, low rise sprawl like around Kennedy and Warden. Or Highway 407. Or Pioneer Village, Finch West, or Downsview Park. You bringing up the Flushing line example is something of a red herring, because you make it sound as though the presence of a subway line alone was what resulted in the area being built up, when the reality is far more complex. If you don't have forward thinking people who capitalize on such an asset, you get nothing at all, as at Downsview Park which, nearly a decade after its opening, remains surrounded by a barren, empty wasteland. Your example is a little like pointing to the Prince Edward Viaduct, which was specifically futureproofed by a forward thinking visionary, and assuming that all bridges come futureproofed.

Do you guys ever wonder why your genius ideas never seem to make it into the halls of government? Or would the slightest introspection be too much?

It's quaint how you feel like the hallmark of whether an idea has any value or not is whether it makes it into the halls of power. The country's brightest minds rightfully want nothing to do with politics.

 

[dowlingm]

Everybody say a big thank you for David Miller!

The worst mayor we've had this century.

Portals don’t inherently require slow orders. Politicians should be able to propose projects in the understanding that they can be designed and executed competently - and we don’t yet know what the actual reason for the slow order is, or how long it will persist.

But at least it was a bit of chum to throw in the water to get this thread talking about Finch West again.

 

[jmi22]

Both of these things can be true at once (shocker, I know). If you coordinate a project with a developer, you can get density in a place that previously didn't have it, but if you don't, you get ugly, low rise sprawl like around Kennedy and Warden. Or Highway 407. Or Pioneer Village, Finch West, or Downsview Park. You bringing up the Flushing line example is something of a red herring, because you make it sound as though the presence of a subway line alone was what resulted in the area being built up, when the reality is far more complex. If you don't have forward thinking people who capitalize on such an asset, you get nothing at all, as at Downsview Park which, nearly a decade after its opening, remains surrounded by a barren, empty wasteland. Your example is a little like pointing to the Prince Edward Viaduct, which was specifically futureproofed by a forward thinking visionary, and assuming that all bridges come futureproofed.

I invite you to explore this new fangled thing called "zoning". You may find that the regulations set out within it answer many of your questions as to why things are not built in some places. Here we can see the vast majority of residential land around Kennedy and Warden station are strictly zoned for low rise, detached family homes, with this modestly changing only in the last half decade. I did not think I would have to explain this on this forum but here we are.

The first three decades of Queens development was not burdened by such egregious government overreach, and as such it flourished. And yes, subway access to Manhattan was the primary driver of urban growth, to claim otherwise is just patently ahistorical.

Downsview Park has remained unbuilt due to incompetent public sector management, and over regulation. If you would like other examples, I invite you to visit 95% of Create(nothing)TO's properties.
Had Downsview been severed into parcels and sold off to private builders when it was decommissioned years ago, it would today be a fully built out community. You may find that your beloved public sector is the root of a lot of the stagnation and mis-aimed growth that you ascribe to the people who actually build things, including the home you're typing from today.

 

[goodcitywhenfinished]

another thing I am noticing in the testing videos that have popped up this past week is that trains seem to be moving pretty slow through intersections

Is it possible the TTC has just imposed the intersection speeds from the streetcar network onto Line 6??

 

[nfitz]

The worst mayor we've had this century.

Despite starting one subway line, initiating consultation on the now Ontario Line (back when it was conventional subway) and laying the groundwork for what we are seeing now, but much delivered last decade, including the SRT?

And really - worse than Rob Ford? Let's not be silly.