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Both Finch and Eglinton are sole Metrolinx project with no control from the TTC. The city/TTC can decide if they want grass ROW or not for Queens Quay. However I'm having doubts since the TTC paved over Queensway and all streetcar yards claiming tracks were misaligning from their set gauge dimensions without fix concrete.

How does everyone in Bilbao or Karlsruhe or Vienna and a multitude of other cities do it then? I’m fairly certain the tracks are set in concrete and then only a top layer of soil maintains the grass. Eglinton does have grassy sections so it’s possible here too.

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How does everyone in Bilbao or Karlsruhe or Vienna and a multitude of other cities do it then? I’m fairly certain the tracks are set in concrete and then only a top layer of soil maintains the grass. Eglinton does have grassy sections so it’s possible here too.
One thing I never understood is why did they plant one side of the track and not the other when there wasn't anything in the way like an electrical vault buried at the spot....the above posted pic is an example...
 
How does everyone in Bilbao or Karlsruhe or Vienna and a multitude of other cities do it then? I’m fairly certain the tracks are set in concrete and then only a top layer of soil maintains the grass. Eglinton does have grassy sections so it’s possible here too.

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You have to ask the brains that run this city. Everything seems backwards. It seems like they want to put in zero effort in maintaining the tracks. It really doesn’t make sense as you can see the Black Creek yard as well as TTC subway all has bolts and ties instead of concrete filling. This probably reduces the needs to send someone to check and adjust racks regularly.
 
You have to ask the brains that run this city. Everything seems backwards. It seems like they want to put in zero effort in maintaining the tracks. It really doesn’t make sense as you can see the Black Creek yard as well as TTC subway all has bolts and ties instead of concrete filling. This probably reduces the needs to send someone to check and adjust racks regularly.
I will say, the TTC does seem to think they need to reinvent the wheel as The TTC Way™ all the time. Why does the TTC have a proprietary gauge? The standard gauges works well everywhere else. Grass trolly paths are done successfully in dozens of cities. Just take what they’ve figured out and apply it.

One thing I never understood is why did they plant one side of the track and not the other when there wasn't anything in the way like an electrical vault buried at the spot....the above posted pic is an example...

I have a feeling they’re running an A/B test with parallel tracks.

Old dinosaur who’s been at the TTC since before the Yonge Subway: “ok fine you whippersnappers, go ahead and plant the grass but only on one side! You’ll see how much longer the TTC Way™ will last. And bring back the red subway cars you cowards — flickering lights and all!”

Ok… without the old timer: It’s just engineers who’ll want to see when something goes wrong on the grass side if it also went wrong on the cement bound rail.
 
will say, the TTC does seem to think they need to reinvent the wheel as The TTC Way™ all the time. Why does the TTC have a proprietary gauge? The standard gauges works well everywhere else. Grass trolly paths are done successfully in dozens of cities. Just take what they’ve figured out and apply it.

Word to the wise: when you encounter an odd idiosyncrasy like TTC gauge, rather than behaving like a politician trying to get people riled up assuming that those people did it to be special and unique, perhaps look in on the historical reasons why.


Toronto is hardly the only city in the world with an irregular gauge. And as noted above, it's really not a big deal. Gone are the days of people buying one size fits all off the shelf products like the PCC, it is far more common these days for a vehicle to be made bespoke anyway.
 
I will say, the TTC does seem to think they need to reinvent the wheel as The TTC Way™ all the time. Why does the TTC have a proprietary gauge? The standard gauges works well everywhere else. Grass trolly paths are done successfully in dozens of cities. Just take what they’ve figured out and apply it.



I have a feeling they’re running an A/B test with parallel tracks.

Old dinosaur who’s been at the TTC since before the Yonge Subway: “ok fine you whippersnappers, go ahead and plant the grass but only on one side! You’ll see how much longer the TTC Way™ will last. And bring back the red subway cars you cowards — flickering lights and all!”

Ok… without the old timer: It’s just engineers who’ll want to see when something goes wrong on the grass side if it also went wrong on the cement bound rail.
As others have pointed out thousands of times in this forum since the launch of this website, the Toronto gauge is a trivial problem that is blown way out of proportion. Switching to standard gauge would cost millions of dollars with no appreciable benefits. The actual issues Toronto faces when purchasing European equipment is the city’s love of streetcar loops, tight turns, and grades. It’s like arguing that Billy Bishop can’t support jets because it has the wrong colour asphalt and ignoring basic physical principles like the runway’s length or the city’s noise restrictions 😝
 
Word to the wise: when you encounter an odd idiosyncrasy like TTC gauge, rather than behaving like a politician trying to get people riled up assuming that those people did it to be special and unique, perhaps look in on the historical reasons why.


Toronto is hardly the only city in the world with an irregular gauge. And as noted above, it's really not a big deal. Gone are the days of people buying one size fits all off the shelf products like the PCC, it is far more common these days for a vehicle to be made bespoke anyway.
Not to mention the hundreds of second hand American standard gauge PCC's that the TTC purchased and subsequently re-gauged.
 
However I'm having doubts since the TTC paved over Queensway and all streetcar yards claiming tracks were misaligning from their set gauge dimensions without fix concrete.
That is not even remotely close to why they did it. Please stop making things up.

How does everyone in Bilbao or Karlsruhe or Vienna and a multitude of other cities do it then? I’m fairly certain the tracks are set in concrete and then only a top layer of soil maintains the grass. Eglinton does have grassy sections so it’s possible here too.

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That is how they've done it on Eglinton, too.

The downside of doing it in this manner is that it all-but-prevents rubber tired vehicles from using the ROW. That said,there are special pavers that do allow for a significant amount of grass to grow and still allow for the use of cars and trucks on it.

One thing I never understood is why did they plant one side of the track and not the other when there wasn't anything in the way like an electrical vault buried at the spot....the above posted pic is an example...
If you look, all of the spots that they've paved in one direction but used grass in the other are on approach to intersections that don't have platforms. This was done to allow emergency vehicles to use the ROW and bypass any queues of vehicles at red lights.

I will say, the TTC does seem to think they need to reinvent the wheel as The TTC Way™ all the time. Why does the TTC have a proprietary gauge? The standard gauges works well everywhere else.
The short answer is "because history".

The slightly longer answer is because it was done in the past, and fixing it now will take too much time and effort.

Dan
 
The short answer is "because history".

I guess it's time for my old photo from Pompeii Italy, showing the dual gauge quandry of Roman chariot makers.

The urban legend is that standard gauge was established by the wheelbase of Roman chariots. As this photo shows, TTC gauge was also in use back then also.

- Paul

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Does anyone agrees with this latest Finch West LRT article that states this line will open before the Line 5 Eglinton (scheduled for September like what ford said)??: railway.supply/en/finch-west-lrt-set-to-launch-ahead-of-crosstown-line/
 
Does anyone agrees with this latest Finch West LRT article that states this line will open before the Line 5 Eglinton (scheduled for September like what ford said)??: railway.supply/en/finch-west-lrt-set-to-launch-ahead-of-crosstown-line/
Most of their articles read as poor AI/LLM (or at least very poor translations), and use self-referencing links. I've never found them to be particularly accurate or noteworthy on any of their news items.

Dan
 

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