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wtf how is this news? what do people think the expropriation money and runway extension money will come from
It may feel like the government isnt doing much. the local MP seems to be on a "wait and see" approachNorm Di Pasquale of NoJetsTO launched a petition on the federal government's e-petitions portal which is sponsored by Elizabeth May. The petition text is below. Please sign and share.
Petition e-7404 - Petitions
www.ourcommons.ca
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Whereas:
We, the undersigned, citizens of Canada, call upon the Government of Canada to exercise their authority as a signatory in the Toronto Island Airport Tripartite Agreement and save our waterfront by saying no to jets at the Toronto Island Airport.
- Ontario Premier Doug Ford has called for jets at the Toronto Island Airport, and has introduced a bill to undemocratically take over Toronto's role in the airport.
- Toronto's waterfront has seen billions in investment from all three levels of government, and has returned billions more to the economy.
- Jets would put that investment at risk and conflict with affordable housing plans on the East Waterfront, adding significant pollution and traffic while harming birds and animals.
Most people don't know Hanlan's or Ward's exist? lol ok...It's both.
Agreed. I have only found the taxiing to be annoying when in the area. While at Ireland Park, the take offs and landings were alright,
Doesn't look like that to me.
UPX Opening in 2015, YTZ ridership:
2015 - 2,503,118
2017 - 2,803,156
2018 - 2,807,208 All-time peak ridership
2019 - 2,774,000
2024 - ~2.2 million - which isn't bad considering the drop in flying to the US
No one from the CBD or current YTZ passengers would go to Hamilton. Much too inconvenient. Although Canada should probably beef up Hamilton anyway.
45% of passengers use a car/taxi to get to the airport which means that 55% of 2.2 million is hauling luggage (for 2024).
There is also the direct 2000 operational jobs related to the airport.
"In 2024, Toronto’s ferry service carried more than 1.4 million passengers. In 2023, that number was approximately 1.5 million passengers." It is estimated that including private taxis you have 2 million passengers to the islands. It is estimated that about 750K of that is tourists.
As stated, I don't feel Harbourfront is negatively impacted by the airport. The planes don't impact our experience there. As far as noise, that affects only those closest to the airport. I visited my friend often who lived in the condo right across from Norway park and his balcony faced the airport and it never impacted us and the only discussion about the airport was convenient it was.
While I do love the islands, the value of the islands is being hugely overstated in this thread. Most people don't know Hanlon's or Ward exist and tourists generally go to Centre Island/Centreville - estimated 1.5 million visits annually out of an estimated 2 million visits to the island. I didn't realize that visits are that slanted towards Centreville - 75% (official info says up to 80%)!!!! The argument is actually Centreville vs an expanded airport! Do we all think an expanded airport makes the Centreville experience worse?
I am actually quite surprised as the more research I do, the stronger the case for an expanded airport. For me, the answer gets even clearer: Islands + expanded airport provides the strongest benefits for Toronto.
Weird that they have to resort to lies and hyperbole.Norm Di Pasquale of NoJetsTO launched a petition on the federal government's e-petitions portal which is sponsored by Elizabeth May. The petition text is below. Please sign and share.
Petition e-7404 - Petitions
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Whereas:
We, the undersigned, citizens of Canada, call upon the Government of Canada to exercise their authority as a signatory in the Toronto Island Airport Tripartite Agreement and save our waterfront by saying no to jets at the Toronto Island Airport.
- Ontario Premier Doug Ford has called for jets at the Toronto Island Airport, and has introduced a bill to undemocratically take over Toronto's role in the airport.
- Toronto's waterfront has seen billions in investment from all three levels of government, and has returned billions more to the economy.
- Jets would put that investment at risk and conflict with affordable housing plans on the East Waterfront, adding significant pollution and traffic while harming birds and animals.
what parts of the petition are lies? What parts are hyperbole?
Don't bother, there's a few bots on here pushing a certain political narrative even when presented with facts.
Everyone I don't agree with is a bot. Classic.
While the city is a creation of the province and are not doing anything that is technically outside of their powers, it is also true that the city is supposed to have a 1/3 voice in the agreement. A democratically elected government agreed to that. It's not illegal, but it's pretty greasy to renege on that contract.
This is pretty tame from what they could write. 'At risk' is not hyperbole. 'destroy' 'obliterate' ' cripple' are words I would associate with hyperbole. Non definitively saying there is a risk is not that far out there. As for the rest of the sentence, if you double the number of flights (or more) pollution, traffic and negative externalities will increase. I don't think anyone would argue that.
Those of us who seldom go might surprise you what little we know!
Oh no not the shoe box units in the sky. Those poor 60 story developments so the inner suburbs can keep the single family homes
. Portland should be livable meaning 12 story midrise homes and townhomes not massive skyscrapers with shadow canyons.
Whether it be or not, the reports from opponents about it changing the planned building heights at Portlands turned out to be fake news and scaremongering.
