[Sqazi]

Oh no not the shoe box units in the sky. Those poor 60 story developments so the inner suburbs can keep the single family homes . Portland should be livable meaning 12 story midrise homes and townhomes not massive skyscrapers with shadow canyons.

Sounds like someone who hasn't been to the waterfront since the 80s

 

[Ward8]

Whether it be or not, the reports from opponents about it changing the planned building heights at Portlands turned out to be fake news and scaremongering.

Are you basing this on anything other than the CEO of the port authority and what he told the globe?

 

[innsertnamehere]

Are you basing this on anything other than the CEO of the port authority and what he told the globe?

Considering the Port Authority is the one who controls the flight paths for Billy Bishop, why would we not trust him? If the Port Authority says there aren't impacts, that means there aren't impacts as they are the ones who decide..

 

[dullturtle06]

Sounds like someone who hasn't been to the waterfront since the 80s

Wasn't even born in the 80s. But I dont understand why poor planning in the past 2010-2020 should determine what a new community should look like. Why not build a community like the successful st Lawrence neighborhood.

The city is only capable of approving massive towers. It sat on their hands with Billy Bishop for 20 years and now the city is being dragged kicking and screaming. Typical toronto.

The airport is finally being developed and hopefully will result in a better Portlands development too.

 

[Mihairokov]

Wasn't even born in the 80s. But I dont understand why poor planning in the past 2010-2020 should determine what a new community should look like. Why not build a community like the successful st Lawrence neighborhood.

What parts of the St. Lawrence neighbourhood do you consider successful? The bones of the neighbourhood were established a century ago, and newer builds have mostly faltered since then.

 

[Northern Light]

Considering the Port Authority is the one who controls the flight paths for Billy Bishop, why would we not trust him? If the Port Authority says there aren't impacts, that means there aren't impacts as they are the ones who decide..

This is not correct.

The flight paths are determined and approved by NavCan.

Furthermore, the flight paths and associated restrictions as they might apply to jets, with this runway restriction have not yet been formally considered.

 

[Northern Light]

On the subject of the airport and its impact on Ookwemin:

The Toronto Port Authority has formally submitted a letter to Planning and Housing Ctte:

https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2026/ph/comm/communicationfile-211078.pdf

From the above:

Okay....but ??

 

[ear2ear]

But I dont understand why poor planning in the past 2010-2020 should determine what a new community should look like. Why not build a community like the successful st Lawrence neighborhood. The city is only capable of approving massive towers.

Regent Park and the West Donlands both contain a mix of mid-size, town homes and taller buildings. I think those neighbouring developments bode well for Port Lands planning.

 

[SubHuman]

wtf how is this news? what do people think the expropriation money and runway extension money will come from ...

As I had said, I didn't recall seeing it specified previously, and it seemed to have been implied that it would be paid for in the usual way, by fees charged to users over time.

https://archive.is/fqy9I

In a recent interview with The Globe and Mail, Roelof-Jan (RJ) Steenstra, the port authority’s president and chief executive officer, said the airport, which his arm’s-length federal agency oversees, is self-financing: It raises money to operate and to pay for any improvements via fees it charges to airlines and passengers, as most airports do.

 

[ear2ear]

Considering the Port Authority is the one who controls the flight paths for Billy Bishop, why would we not trust him? If the Port Authority says there aren't impacts, that means there aren't impacts as they are the ones who decide..

Until we definitively know more, no single quote should be absolutely assumed to be fact. What is undeniable is that airport expansion will impact planning and development in areas beyond the footprint of the project itself. Regardless of where we sit ideologically on this project, we should all be critical and questioning of the implications of it until those unknowns can be determined. We are not there yet.

 

[innsertnamehere]

This is not correct.

The flight paths are determined and approved by NavCan.

Furthermore, the flight paths and associated restrictions as they might apply to jets, with this runway restriction have not yet been formally considered.

Approved by NavCan based on requirements identified by the airport operator - they work in tandem. As someone who has experience with dealing with flightpath issues, the airport operator is the primary contact and provides the direction regarding restrictions. I've dealt with both Sickkid's and Pearson's flight paths, and in both cases, it's SickKids and GTAA who are the point of contact and the final approval authority. It's why the port authority is the one communicating with the City about height limits for Ookwemin Minising for existing operations, not NavCan.

It's kind of a similar relationship to a private zoning by-law amendment - the City/NavCan are the approval authority in which the zoning regs are applied through, but the developer/airport authority are the ones who design the regulations and requirements.

They have not been formally considered as we have not seen any actual details about the proposal. However, going off how Pearson's airport zoning regs are applied, we can expect Ookwemin Minesing to generally be unaffected. It shouldn't be a surprise as Ookwemin Minesing sits about 700 metres north of the flightpath for the airport.

Areas south along Unwin Avenue may have impacts, but those areas are decades off from development still and not expected to develop to the same densities anyway.

 

[Tuscani01]

On the subject of the airport and its impact on Ookwemin:


Okay....but ??

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I believe all of those measures are already being secured for developments in Ookwemin Minising due to the proximity to the Portlands Energy Centre, and cement factories.

 

[Ward8]

Considering the Port Authority is the one who controls the flight paths for Billy Bishop, why would we not trust him? If the Port Authority says there aren't impacts, that means there aren't impacts as they are the ones who decide..

For one, it's in his interest to say whatever it takes to get the job done, for two, this quote from the port authority after the CEO spoke: “This work is not complete, so I cannot provide absolutes or guarantees at this point,” she said, adding that runway designs to be presented in the coming months would allow development at Ookwemin Minising to move forward as planned.

It sounds like it's not a sure thing. It also sounds like they will present options that could have different effects on the waterfront.

Also, don't forget the premier himself lamenting that the towers were designed to prevent the airport, and that there is plenty of supporting documentation that suggests tower heights could be cut. The idea that, the guy who has every reason to bend the truth said so, is not convincing to me.

 

[txlseries4]

Paraphrased back and forth today at Planning and Housing Committee

Matlow: If the flight path changes is it reasonable that the housing targets including achieving affordable housing could be affected?
Chief planner: Can't confirm at this point, will report back in June if there are any implications that the flight paths change in terms of length, direction, orientation. Will do our best based on the information we have
Matlow: Has there been an actual plan that anyone has actually read, to be able to review what the impact might be?
Chief planner: We have not seen any specific plans to this date

Hopefully we might find out more in June

 

[MaxMin]

Attended the Waterfront for All zoom yesterday and they shared a excerpt of the 2015 Aecom Report for Porter's suggested 200m expansion to the west. Even with this shorter extension, the water cyling of the inner harbour (apparently water generally enters through the west and exits through the east) changes from 6 day to 12 days. I think this effect of the ecology and water quality is not discussed enough, particularly with many overflow sewers still discharging into the inner harbour. I would think the cycling time would drastically increase with 600m that is on the table.