micheal_can
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Which makes the most sense as much of it is Via owned ROW..
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Thaboss
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To add, carney mentioned that every year of development cut saves them aprox. 2 billion dollars and he suggested that some costs will be recovered by developing surrounding land into housing... good stuff
I'm going to say it again. We are closer to some form of highspeed rail than ever before. Possibly the only thing slowing down this train, pun intended, is if the libs are not in power after the next election, otherwise I fully expect development to reach a point of no return within 4-8 years.
You can tell by how carney speaks about HSR, that it is a project he probably really believes in (thank God for that
)Does anyone know how quickly you could in theory build the ROW between montreal and ottawa, assuming mont royal will need a new tunnel ?
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innsertnamehere
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The Mount Royal new tunnel would only be needed for the Quebec City connection - connections from Montreal to Ontario don't need it and can approach Gare Centrale from the south.
nfitz
Superstar
It could approach from the south - but the maps they released at the time, looked more like approaching Lucien L'allier (or possibly Central Station) from the west. Which could allow them to build new platforms and track, in a more northerly direction under the existing track (and platforms?) (the current Central Station platforms are more northwest to southeast rather than north-to-south. I'd have to take out a protractor, but they almost look closer to east-west than north-south!
Allandale25
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guavadelic
Active Member
So it sounds like the final investment decision is now to occur after 4 years (2029) instead of the previously mentioned 5 years (2030).
The original 8 year timeline that Carney referenced today (Dominic Leblanc mentioned it today separately as well) seems like new information. The Alto CEO regularly cited 5 years as development phase duration.
Voltz
Senior Member
Montreal compass directions are mind numbing
generalcanada
Senior Member
I think this is where the weird timelines come from.
5 years would previously have been phase 1 design.
This would mean completion of phase 3 is done in 4 years from now?
Phase 3 I think was mentioned previously as the QC to MTL section?
nfitz
Superstar
He said construction started in 4 years. The plan was never to have construction start in 5 years. They'd only get the go ahead for the project, and start the final design then. I'd have thought construction starting in 8 years on the current schedule was optimistic!
I think you are mixing up apples and oranges here.
CapitalSeven
Senior Member
Would it be cynical to say this?: Under the Trudeau-era plan, a decision to go ahead would be made in 2030, 7 years after trains were initially supposed to start running. Now, the decision to go ahead has be made, and we'll start going ahead in 2029 or so. Unless we don't.
rdaner
Senior Member
For me the best component is going to be the new central stations/terminals that will be combined with mixed use developments!
hw621
Senior Member
Well, GO is currently using 50s diesel locomotive train tech...
ssiguy2
Senior Member
People are referencing ALTO but Carney hasn't. Carney has always stated HSR would be a Windsor to QC Corridor line which the ALTO plan doesn't cover due to not going west of Union to London/Windsor. Besides the fact that it makes tons of sense {London is VIA's 4th busiest station and Windsor 7th as well as getting many potential Detroit riders}, Carney also has to be cognizant of the fact that he got several key urban riding in western GGH and SWO wins and he will need to keep them. The howls from London/Windsor for not being included when he has continually stated they are, would cost him dearly.
nfitz
Superstar
It will be good to see some development around Union Station!
Thaboss
Active Member
Absolutely disagree.
The press release, the media, and general discussion about the project have revolved around toronto and montreal, and directly reference Alto. The scope of alto has not changed period so zero studies involving windsor are happening
Atm theres zero expectation in the public realm of HSR to London or Windsor and even if that were something some constituents wanted, we are talking about a project that won't even see phase 1 completion in 8-10 with a windsor line doubtlessly being relegated to phase 3 at best, we're talking 15-20 plus years before something like that every happened.. Will carney even live to see the day ?