[Urban Sky]

Absolutely disagree.

The press release, the media, and general discussion about the project have revolved around toronto and montreal, and directly reference Alto. The scope of alto has not changed period so zero studies involving windsor are happening

Atm theres zero expectation in the public realm of HSR to London or Windsor and even if that were something some constituents wanted, we are talking about a project that won't even see phase 1 completion in 8-10 with a windsor line doubtlessly being relegated to phase 3 at best, we're talking 15-20 plus years before something like that every happened.. Will carney even live to see the day ?

The mistake here is to respond to and engage the sad troll who has never been able to acknowledge that it was his native city (London) which rejected HFR*, while cities like Quebec City lobbied hard to get included. The joke is clearly on Southwestern Ontario, at this point…

*Not for excluding them in the initial scop of HFR, but for having the audacity to propose any kind of intercity passenger rail project at roughly the same time as Wynne presented HSR as her insincere election stunt.

 

[Bordercollie]

Good luck getting anything built within the electoral term, since any new government can just cancel it with a pen stroke. We can't even build cross town in 15 years you think we can build 180km in 8?

 

[Thaboss]

Good luck getting anything built within the electoral term, since any new government can just cancel it with a pen stroke. We can't even build cross town in 15 years you think we can build 180km in 8?

hsr in the uk and California is proof that if a project advances past a certain stage its unlikely to be canceled, so yes it is possible and imo this project is quickly moving from somewhat unlikely to a maybe.

Crosstown is an enigma within canadian rial projects. There's is no sense drawing any negative of positive inferences from that projects failings whatsoever.

 

[Bordercollie]

hsr in the uk and California is proof that if a project advances past a certain stage its unlikely to be canceled, so yes it is possible and imo this project is quickly moving from somewhat unlikely to a maybe.

Crosstown is an enigma within canadian rial projects. There's is no sense drawing any negative of positive inferences from that projects failings whatsoever.

Isn't California HSR cancelled in many parts because the FRA removed the finding?

 

[ssiguy2]

Carney has always stated that he wants HSR to Windsor regardless of what the press prints. London is a busier station than QC. As for Wynne, she never had a HSR study for London as it was written on the back of a napkin a week before the election as a desperate vote grab to save her gov't.

 

[micheal_can]

Is anyone here thinking that once Toronto - Quebec city is built that will be it? This is not from a railfan/foamer/whatever you wanna call me... but extending it to Windsor does make sense. I cannot see it happening before Toronto -Ottawa is done first. I welcome being proved wrong. If anything, pushing the easy section between Ottawa - Montreal gives me hope that this government does care about passenger rail. (and I know, there is no chance of HSR going by my house...)

 

[WB62]

If I’ve heard it correctly, the toronto area terminus could be setting the foundation for further westward expansions.

I don’t think anyone should be surprised London and especially Windsor aren’t in the current scope, but I highly doubt a fourth phase including those cities won’t be proposed when ALTO is well underway/partially operational.

 

[guavadelic]

If I’ve heard it correctly, the toronto area terminus could be setting the foundation for further westward expansions.

I don’t think anyone should be surprised London and especially Windsor aren’t in the current scope, but I highly doubt a fourth phase including those cities won’t be proposed when ALTO is well underway/partially operational.

The Southwestern Ontario portion should really be in work now and led by the Ontario government, even as a separate project. It can be upgraded later on to HSR if warranted. However waiting to start until Toronto-QC is completed in the 2040s seems crazy to me.

Instead we have Dougie lobbying Mark Carney to support his 401 tunnel.

 

[micheal_can]

The Southwestern Ontario portion should really be in work now and led by the Ontario government, even as a separate project. It can be upgraded later on to HSR if warranted. However waiting to start until Toronto-QC is completed in the 2040s seems crazy to me.

Instead we have Dougie lobbying Mark Carney to support his 401 tunnel.

Great... Then start pushing for it. If enough people want it,he might think of doing it. But right now, people are complaining about traffic on the 401,so, that is what his focus is on. He could have said that the fix is HSR, but didn't.

 

[treplow]

Montreal compass directions are mind numbing

Montreal - the only city in the world where the sun sets in the north.

 

[treplow]

Much longer (400 vs. 180 km), much more deviations from any legacy rail corridors, much more environmental impacts to mitigate and much more cities fighting for their station along the route.

Based on the proposals we've seen for the Toronto-Ottawa portion of the ALTO corridor, isn't Peterborough the only real city along the route? If Blairton Station wants to argue for an actual station to be built there, good luck to them I suppose

 

[Urban Sky]

Based on the proposals we've seen for the Toronto-Ottawa portion of the ALTO corridor, isn't Peterborough the only real city along the route? If Blairton Station wants to argue for an actual station to be built there, good luck to them I suppose

Nobody says that you have to command CMA status (i.e., a metroplitan population of at least 100,000) to demand (and potentially receive) a stop on a new rail corridor, even if it’s nominally HSR…

 

[nfitz]

Nobody says that you have to command CMA status (i.e., a metroplitan population of at least 100,000) to demand (and potentially receive) a stop on a new rail corridor, even if it’s nominally HSR…

100,000? What about 10,000?

I struggle to think of anywhere along that corridor from the GTA to Smith Falls that's much bigger than 5,000 - other than Peterborough!

Is anything bigger than Perth (about 6,500) ... only 20 km from the existing station at Smiths Falls? Even Havelock is only 5,000.

 

[Urban Sky]

100,000? What about 10,000?

I struggle to think of anywhere along that corridor from the GTA to Smith Falls that's much bigger than 5,000 - other than Peterborough!

Is anything bigger than Perth (about 6,500) ... only 20 km from the existing station at Smiths Falls? Even Havelock is only 5,000.

You are assuming that ALTO will inevitably drill through the Canadian Shield rather than skirt around it. Besides, the smallest municipalities with a stop at a German HSR corridor are:
* Montabaur (pop. 14,677)
* Allersberg (pop. 8,550)
* Kinding (pop. 2,549)
* Merklingen (pop. 2,051)

 

[Mihairokov]

100,000? What about 10,000?

I struggle to think of anywhere along that corridor from the GTA to Smith Falls that's much bigger than 5,000 - other than Peterborough!

Is anything bigger than Perth (about 6,500) ... only 20 km from the existing station at Smiths Falls? Even Havelock is only 5,000.

We're not building HSR so small farm towns can have train stations.