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zang said:
Watch, we end up with a high-speed line to Peterborough finished, and the next CPC government axes everything not yet completed.
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Anything is possible. However, I don't see that as something even they would do. What they may do is slow it down though.
 
Out of interest, I checked to see how the 25 million annual ridership upon full build-out figure mentioned today compares to the Amtrak Acela HSR service and France's TGV.

For the 2024 financial year, the Acela had an annual ridership of 3.2 million.
For the 2024 financial year, SNCF's TGV's higher-service inOUI and low-fare OUIGO services had a combined annual ridership of about 130 million passengers.

Out of further interest, I wanted to see how the 25 million annual ridership figure for Alto at full build-out compared to current VIA ridership and Amtrak ridership.

For the 2024 financial year, VIA reported 4.4 million passenger trips.
For the 2024 financial year, Amtrak reported 32.8 million passengers.

If Alto hits the 25 million figure, it would be more than 5 times greater than VIA's total current ridership, three-quarters of Amtrak's total ridership, and a solid fifth of SNCF's total TGV service.

Out of further, further interest, I wanted to see how Alto would compare with the current Acela service.

Distance: 1,000 km (Alto) vs 735 km (Acela)
Stations: 7? vs 12
Top speed: 300 kph (target) vs 260 kph
End-to-end trip duration: 3 hours (target) vs 6.5 hours
 
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Milaisacat said:
If Alto hits the 25 million figure, it would be more than 5 times greater than VIA's total current ridership, three-quarters of Amtrak's total ridership, and a solid fifth of SNCF's total TGV service.
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In a weird comparison, the Disneyland Railroad takes 6.6 million passengers a year. One would hope Alto would at least top that. :)
 
Racer_77 said:
In response to a question about Bill C-5, the CEO mentioned that they "hope and expect" to be designated as a project of national interest, which could take 4-5 years off the expected timeline (I may have misheard the time savings).
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That would be in hell of an epic development.


Maybe we will see this thing in our lifetimes?
 
zang said:
Watch, we end up with a high-speed line to Peterborough finished, and the next CPC government axes everything not yet completed.
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Nearly everyone assumes Montreal to Ottawa would be first, but in fact Toronto to Peterborough as 1b could make sense, not perhaps as a high speed service per se, but putting together the corridor and running some more conventional service on it while the Peterborough to Smith's Falls link is built. I hadn't thought of it before. I'm still hoping there is a secret Canada-Ontario plot to seize the midtown corridor and build every inch of missing link plus in return for forgetting the 401 tunnel was ever mentioned.
 
CapitalSeven said:
Nearly everyone assumes Montreal to Ottawa would be first, but in fact Toronto to Peterborough as 1b could make sense, not perhaps as a high speed service per se, but putting together the corridor and running some more conventional service on it while the Peterborough to Smith's Falls link is built. I hadn't thought of it before. I'm still hoping there is a secret Canada-Ontario plot to seize the midtown corridor and build every inch of missing link plus in return for forgetting the 401 tunnel was ever mentioned.
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It's always possible in theory, but I would think that the combination of potential ridership base and the fact that M-O is interprovincial with a broader political selling base makes M-O the winner.

And it leaves the financial burden (and the decisionmaking) with Ottawa rather than Ontario. Let DoFo get his hands on this, and there will be subdivisions and condo towers a-building throughout the Durham Kawartha and Northumberland greenbelt lands.

- Paul
 
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CapitalSeven said:
Nearly everyone assumes Montreal to Ottawa would be first, but in fact Toronto to Peterborough as 1b could make sense, not perhaps as a high speed service per se, but putting together the corridor and running some more conventional service on it while the Peterborough to Smith's Falls link is built. I hadn't thought of it before. I'm still hoping there is a secret Canada-Ontario plot to seize the midtown corridor and build every inch of missing link plus in return for forgetting the 401 tunnel was ever mentioned.
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It makes no sense whatsoever to have Toronto to Peterborough as its own phase in the context of ALTO.

It has been said that the services will be interfaced with the phases as they complete and become available for service. They can do that with Montreal to Ottawa - trains can be routed onto that line between those two cities and then continue east and west beyond those points on the existing corridors. There is no potential to do that to the east of Peterborough.

Dan
 
cplchanb said:
which one if i may ask? Ive checked ICE and TGV.. None utilise 2 stations within 20km of each other on the same line.
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Not really an intercity HSR service, but Seoul's GTX lines basically use HSR trains and have stations spaced about 8km or so.
 
smallspy said:
It makes no sense whatsoever to have Toronto to Peterborough as its own phase in the context of ALTO.

It has been said that the services will be interfaced with the phases as they complete and become available for service. They can do that with Montreal to Ottawa - trains can be routed onto that line between those two cities and then continue east and west beyond those points on the existing corridors. There is no potential to do that to the east of Peterborough.

Dan
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Ooooooorr


If you want to somwhat cancel proof the project, you build the toronto/Peterborough - ottawa/montreal phase concurrently, with the assumption that the current govt won't see construction complete.

No govt would ever want to cancel the montreal connection cause politics and all govt would view a toronto to Peterborough connection as a total waste not to connect all the way up to ottawa.

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Vs. If you begin and focuse only on ottawa/montreal or toronto/ottawa conmection on its own, it could very easily be deemed "enough for now" at the end of that particular phase. To "save money" or "prove demand".

Like cali HSR project, i suspect this project will go in and out of favour with the public at large. Planning will need to work around those political constraints imo.
 
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The Globe is reporting that Alto is included in the list of nation-building projects to be announced.

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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/pol...ucture-projects-government-list-oil-pipeline/
 
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