CapitalSeven
Senior Member
It would be nice if Doug Ford could get behind Alto. Instead he is looking for further ways to destroy the environment and increase global warming. But that seems to be what Ontarians want, given his polling numbers.
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narduch
Senior Member
There is less opportunity for him to funnel money to the developer and construction companies so he is not interested
dowlingm
Senior Member
To be fair - not wanting to play nice with federal rail is a bipartisan position for the governing parties of Ontario (see SWO HSR vs VIA HFR)
Urban Sky
Senior Member
Has there been any statement from Ontario regarding ALTO? As long as the federal government advances the project without demanding Ontario to chip in, they would be stupid to make noise…
lenaitch
Senior Member
I agree. Ottawa and Queen's Park seem to be getting along rather well in areas of mutual benefit. Ontario is getting something, a 'nation building project', for free.
No doubt Doug will get creative once the route is set and he gets to play with land use policy (assuming he is still around).
WB62
Senior Member
I have a hard time believing the PC government wouldn’t support this when the time comes, especially if ALTO ends up sharing infrastructure with Metrolinx (who would benefit from upgraded infrastructure not fully on their dime).
Ford loves big infrastructure projects, and HSR service will make any land around stations extremely valuable.
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Thaboss
Active Member
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-major-projects-list-1.7630470
Alto will be annouced as one of the govt future nation building projects tommorow....sorta
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Basically it sounds like the project needs more time in the oven before being named officially at which point its extremely likely to be added to the list.
We'll see if that means the project can begin some form of tangible development within carneys time as PM. I'm personally not sure that it will, simply because of the scale of planning needed regardless of regulatory simplification.
However, IMO as I'd been saying since before the election, if the libs can secure two carney-led mandates, it is abundantly clear that we will see canada begin its path to HSR in earnest.
Where that path leads is unknowable but we are officially truly closer than ever to joining our Japanese friends in adopting 90s train tech. Lol
Alto will be annouced as one of the govt future nation building projects tommorow....sorta
.Basically it sounds like the project needs more time in the oven before being named officially at which point its extremely likely to be added to the list.
We'll see if that means the project can begin some form of tangible development within carneys time as PM. I'm personally not sure that it will, simply because of the scale of planning needed regardless of regulatory simplification.
However, IMO as I'd been saying since before the election, if the libs can secure two carney-led mandates, it is abundantly clear that we will see canada begin its path to HSR in earnest.
Where that path leads is unknowable but we are officially truly closer than ever to joining our Japanese friends in adopting 90s train tech. Lol
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sixrings
Senior Member
Let’s go Peterborough land owners!!!!
Urban Sky
Senior Member
Certainly not impossible, but that would imply a fifth consecutive liberal election victories and up to 18 consecutive years of liberal rule (i.e., 2015-2033)…
ALTO will not be “90s train tech” (if it ever get’s built): Nobody is procurring ICE1, e300 or TGV Réseau trainsets. ETCS might have been started to develop in the 1990s, but it’s current applications and developments are state-of-the-art 2020s train tech…
Thaboss
Active Member
Tbc i was joking....I do not expect ubrantoronto visitors to truly believe we'd be using 90s train tech but just jn case they do, your correction is appreciated.
urbancog
Active Member
Liberal by name yes but this version's policies have moved right of centre. Whether that's good or bad I'll leave to your personal beliefs but it's a distinctly different set of policies with Mark Carney as PM.
Allandale25
Senior Member
Alto mentioned today. In a clip with the PM's remarks, I heard that some sort of timeline is changing from 8 years to 4 years.
Urban Sky
Senior Member
That would be further hints that they intend to build MTRL-OTTW first, as that’s the only segment with any chance of having a route at least partially finalized within 4 years…
T-Bor
Active Member
Serious question - why couldn't the Toronto - Ottawa route be finalized in 4 years?
Urban Sky
Senior Member
Much longer (400 vs. 180 km), much more deviations from any legacy rail corridors, much more environmental impacts to mitigate and much more cities fighting for their station along the route.