Out of Towner
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Glenco can read. Congratulations because you can't recite something verbatim. If you're going to use quotation makes, at least get it right! lol
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Out of Towner
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I haven't seen a detail of the pits but they're not inconsequential. There are at least 3 that are no less than 3 feet in diameter with 8 foot stacks. The amount of smoke and debris they generate is dependent on a variety of factors I suppose. I've mentioned why they don't appeal to me. What makes the fire pits so desirous to you? Hot dogs, marshmallows, smoke signals, for warming your hands?
ChazYEG
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Edmonton is a cold winter city and anything that makes the park more useable in the colder months is usually a good thing.
Excessive smoke can be bad, but 4 fire pits, as large as they are, are very unlikely to have any substantial effect on the air quality of the park.
Out of Towner
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Staying warm is a good reason to start a fire at the park but before I packed some firewood over to the park for a fire, I'd need to buy some at Home Depot and I just don't believe that I'll ever do that. But that's just me. From what I can tell, there is an appetite from other posters for doing that. Maybe they already have a wood burning fireplace and some firewood at home. I don't know.
kcantor
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Some of us can in fact confirm to those who weren’t around that we did indeed lock our doors fifty years ago.
kcantor
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Maybe we should start fencing big box parking lots and lock them on weekday mornings so no-one gets stabbed?
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Avenuer
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Out of Towner
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You were around 50 years ago and can conform that you locked your doors. Ok, I'm not going to quibble with you about that then because you're correct that not everybody didn't lock their doors. What's your view on the fire pits? Do you believe that the City should supply firewood to park visitors and have maintenance personal clean up after them or have visitors bring their own firewood and then clean up the left over debris? My view is that visitors should bring their own firewood and clean up after themselves but the clean up part won't happen. Then there is the expense of the City buying firewood along with having no place to store it.
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David A
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It depends on where you lived, some places the doors weren't locked back then. In some places they still might not lock them now, but certainly not downtown Edmonton.
I can see this nice, but not well thought out fire pit idea becoming a slippery slope. It could work if the city provides the wood and stores it, but this will add to the operational costs.
If not, these lovely fire pits may quickly turn into places where all sort of garbage and junk is burned, especially later in day after the staff goes home.
I understand the desire to have accessible parks, but we have to take into account the location and current issues. So yet another reason to restrict late night access.
Out of Towner
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I don't believe that its been clearly thought out either. Winnipeg is currently in a battle to save its inner city tree canopy from invasive insects. And Edmonton is going to haul in firewood and increase the threat to its inner city tree canopy? JC. What are they thinking?
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danimori
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What if they are gas fireplaces, as the preliminary design book indicates. I don't think there will be any hauling in of firewood going on here. I assume that hasnt changed even if there is no fountain anymore
David A
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Gee what could go wrong? No handy source of water from the fountains to put on the out of control trash fires that will inevitably happen in the wee hours.
Well at least I suppose close enough to the fire department though, so this may keep them busy if they are not busy enough responding to EMS calls.
ChazYEG
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That's a grim outlook
kcantor
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As for my own view on fire pits, I have neighbours that make use of both wood and gas-fired pits and my experience is that there ate much bigger issues to get concerned about. They are the foundation for many social activities year round that might not otherwise take place or would be forced indoors. I don’t know for a fact whether these are going to be wood or gas-fired but do know the City used to provide firewood for picnic sites with barbecue grills and still does for those sites that take reservations. For providing added protection from non native pests or inappropriate materials being burned it’s a reasonable policy. There are many places and many activities for which the city provides garbage removal and cleanup. As for the cost of firewood if these aren’t gas-fired, I believe their own forestry activities are likely to provide a low cost avenue to securing it.
David A
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Yes, but I have seen nearly out of control fires started by "urban campers" in the winter evening earlier this year less than a block from where this park will be.That's a grim outlook
So it is grim, but based on experience.