not_taylor
New Member
The TTC has screens inside the buses that are larger and clearer than these. They just have not had the resources to program them correctly due to a shortage of staff who have the knowledge to design and program them.
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ARG1
Senior Member
To be fair... Crosby is a minor local stop, and isn't where one should expect frequent connecting bus services.
That being said, the actual major stations aren't much better.
(Also, the 99 is just the local Yonge Street bus - calling it a connecting bus is extremely generous).
Islington Express Bus
Active Member
I just noticed on the screen: is it referring to viva blue as "601"? Because if so, that's TERRIBLE. No one calls it that.
applepill
New Member
Sorry, should have been more specific. My issue is that all of these buses aren't actually buses most people would connect too, unless you're backtracking for some reason. Knowing the next bus of the bus that you're on just seems strange to me.
chrisw
Active Member
York Region Transit 2024 System Performance Report
York Region Transit reached a record high ridership of 23.7 million in 2024, a 12% increase compared to 2023.
In 2024, YRT On-Request ridership increased 25% to 133,244 and MOR ridership increased 25% to 416,996.
Service hours increased from 1.3 million in 2023 to 1.4 million in 2024, representing a 10% increase
In 2024, approximately 7.64 million cross-boundary trips were made between YRT and the TTC under the One Fare Program, representing 32.3% of YRT’s system ridership, and YRT received $15.87 million in reimbursements from the Province to offset the free transfers. Cross-boundary trips have increased 27.6% compared to the start of the program.
In 2024, fare revenue totaled $85 million compared to $72 million in 2023. In 2024, revenue-to-cost ratio recovered to 39%, up from 36% in 2023, primarily due to ridership growth.
Sandpit
Active Member
So they're really close to their 40% goal. But like I said, they could really make a push to grow ridership if they're willing to settle for 35%.
cplchanb
Senior Member
E2201 was doing Route 8 Kennedy this morning. Is YRT starting to test out EV buses in more heavily used routes?
chrisw
Active Member
Comments open for the 2026 Transit Annual Plan and the 2026-2030 Business Plan (Frequent Transit Network, Express Network, Overnight Network)
www.yrt.ca
For the business plan they mention some different proposed minimum frequencies. The current Minimum Frequency guidelines are 15 mins for the FTN (both Viva and Base) from 6 am to 10pm, 7 days a week (Clearly we aren't even close to that for the FTN network). The new recommendations mention 10mins peak for Viva and some extended operating hours. Otherwise the guidelines are slightly worse but it'd be amazing if this new minimum standard was actually achieved.
FTN (Tier 1): Viva routes offer frequent and high-capacity service along York Region’s busiest roads. They will operate, at a minimum, from 5 a.m. to 12 a.m., seven days a week.
FTN (Tier 2): Base routes provide frequent and direct service along major roads. They will operate, at a minimum, from 5 a.m. to 10 p.m., seven days a week.
Proposed minimum frequencies (how often a bus starts the route) in minutes, for FTN Tier 1 and FTN Tier 2 routes are outlined in the table below.
Business Plan
www.yrt.ca
For the business plan they mention some different proposed minimum frequencies. The current Minimum Frequency guidelines are 15 mins for the FTN (both Viva and Base) from 6 am to 10pm, 7 days a week (Clearly we aren't even close to that for the FTN network). The new recommendations mention 10mins peak for Viva and some extended operating hours. Otherwise the guidelines are slightly worse but it'd be amazing if this new minimum standard was actually achieved.
Frequent Transit Network
Routes on the FTN provide frequent and direct service along major roadways and connect riders to busy locations. Over the next five years, we plan to increase the frequency of the routes.FTN (Tier 1): Viva routes offer frequent and high-capacity service along York Region’s busiest roads. They will operate, at a minimum, from 5 a.m. to 12 a.m., seven days a week.
FTN (Tier 2): Base routes provide frequent and direct service along major roads. They will operate, at a minimum, from 5 a.m. to 10 p.m., seven days a week.
Proposed minimum frequencies (how often a bus starts the route) in minutes, for FTN Tier 1 and FTN Tier 2 routes are outlined in the table below.
| Service Period | FTN (Tier 1) | FTN (Tier 2) |
|---|---|---|
| Weekdays | ||
| Early Morning | 15 | 20 |
| Morning Peak | 10 | 15 |
| Midday | 15 | 20 |
| Afternoon peak | 10 | 15 |
| Early Evening | 20 | 20 |
| Late Evening | 30 | 30 |
| Saturdays | ||
| Morning, Afternoon, Evening | 20 | 30 |
| Sundays/Holidays | ||
| Morning, Afternoon | 20 | 30 |
| Evening | 30 | 30 |
Attachments
chrisw
Active Member
For reference, here is the proposed map for the 2026-2030 Frequent Transit Network. It's also much better defined then the map in the 2021-2025 Business Plan.
Northern Light
Superstar
Comments open for the 2026 Transit Annual Plan and the 2026-2030 Business Plan (Frequent Transit Network, Express Network, Overnight Network)
Business Plan
They mention some different proposed minimum frequencies. The current Minimum Frequency guidelines are 15 mins for the FTN (both Viva and Base) from 6 am to 10pm, 7 days a week (Clearly we aren't even close to that for the FTN network). The new recommendations mention 10mins peak for Viva and some extended operating hours. Otherwise the guidelines are slightly worse but it'd be amazing if this new minimum standard was actually achieved.
Frequent Transit Network
Routes on the FTN provide frequent and direct service along major roadways and connect riders to busy locations. Over the next five years, we plan to increase the frequency of the routes.
FTN (Tier 1): Viva routes offer frequent and high-capacity service along York Region’s busiest roads. They will operate, at a minimum, from 5 a.m. to 12 a.m., seven days a week.
FTN (Tier 2): Base routes provide frequent and direct service along major roads. They will operate, at a minimum, from 5 a.m. to 10 p.m., seven days a week.
Proposed minimum frequencies (how often a bus starts the route) in minutes, for FTN Tier 1 and FTN Tier 2 routes are outlined in the table below.
Service Period FTN (Tier 1) FTN (Tier 2) Weekdays Early Morning 15 20 Morning Peak 10 15 Midday 15 20 Afternoon peak 10 15 Early Evening 20 20 Late Evening 30 30 Saturdays Morning, Afternoon, Evening 20 30 Sundays/Holidays Morning, Afternoon 20 30 Evening 30 30
Looking at this and at the map, I can support all the 10 and 15 minute frequencies and could live w/30 in late evenings on tier 2 routes.
But, most of the routes are tier 2. You're never going to build frequent ridership with service of 30M daytime weekend/early Saturday evening. Likewise I don't want to see any sub 15M frequency before late evenings on tier 1 routes.
This is a big leap forward, if delivered. But I still want every 15M or better frequency 6am-10pm ,daily on tier 1 routes; and either better times as noted on tier 2 or a 1/2 dozen routes bumped to tier 1.
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chrisw
Active Member
The 2026-2030 Business Plan also mentions adding some new routes to their express network. They're also looking for feedback.
Feeder route: Provides direct service between residential, commercial, and/or industrial areas and high-demand locations like bus terminals, subway stations and recreational facilities. These routes also provide convenient transfers with other transit systems and go directly to popular destinations.
For example, Route 300 – Business Express connect Richmond Hill Business Park with the TTC Subway at Finch GO Bus Terminal.
Overlay route: Provides limited-stop service at high-demand locations, supplementing (helping to provide busing for routes with high ridership demand) on FTN routes along major roads.
For example, Route 320 – Jane Express supplements Route 20 – Jane.
Express Network
Express routes connect residential and business areas to busy locations and transit hubs, while reducing travel times by having a limited number of stops and/or travelling on highways and high occupancy vehicle (HOV) lanes. Over the next five years, we plan to add new routes to the network.Feeder route: Provides direct service between residential, commercial, and/or industrial areas and high-demand locations like bus terminals, subway stations and recreational facilities. These routes also provide convenient transfers with other transit systems and go directly to popular destinations.
For example, Route 300 – Business Express connect Richmond Hill Business Park with the TTC Subway at Finch GO Bus Terminal.
Overlay route: Provides limited-stop service at high-demand locations, supplementing (helping to provide busing for routes with high ridership demand) on FTN routes along major roads.
For example, Route 320 – Jane Express supplements Route 20 – Jane.
Northern Light
Superstar
Feedback submitted
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In respect of the express services, I see their value in the longer term, but I have some concern that they may operate infrequently and divert resources from a more robust Frequent Service Network.
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In respect of the express services, I see their value in the longer term, but I have some concern that they may operate infrequently and divert resources from a more robust Frequent Service Network.
ShonTron
Moderator
The only Tier 1 routes are the existing Viva routes. What’s the point then?
ARG1
Senior Member
The point is *SOME* Viva routes (cough cough Viva Orange) can't even reach those benchmarks. That being said if this map is suggesting what I think its suggesting, Tier 1 frequencies on BOTH Viva Purple branches would be absolutely amazing compared to the nonsense we have right now.
The big thing missing right now with YRT is some form of pulse scheduling. There's no reason I have to wait upwards of 20m transferring from Viva Purple to Viva Orange. If we're going to accept 30m headways at certain times, can we at least try to coordinate schedules better?
Northern Light
Superstar
Well it is a start..........but its insufficiently ambitious, no question.