Bordercollie
Senior Member
Considering that the 77 bus is faster than BRT tells you that they don't care about speed.
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Sandpit
Active Member
I think it has to do with the fact that the YRT buses are shorter and accelerate faster. Sometimes you’d see a 99 or 98/99 bus “race” a Viva Blue at night and the YRT bus usually “wins”.
not_taylor
New Member
Stouffville would be best served by 2 base routes (one north-south route along Ninth Line and one-east-west route along Main St) and a local circulator route. Unfortunate, budget limitations mean there are only two routes operating (one east-west base route along Main St operating at erratic hours as a GO train replacement bus and the zig-zag base-coverage Frankenstein Route 9). If the town/region were able to raise funds for about 8,000 annual service hours they could have a half-hourly weekday circulator service supplementing the two base routes.
kvvoyage
New Member
What routes do the various Voith 864.3E gearboxed buses frequent on? Trying to catch some of them and any information would be great - thanks in advance.
drum118
Superstar
Cross Post
Jane from 7 to Major Mack BRT with the EA underway.
Open House
Wednesday, February 19: 4:00 p.m.- 6:00p.m.
The YMCA at The David Braley Vaughan Centre
200 Apple Mill Road, Vaughan
Jane from 7 to Major Mack BRT with the EA underway.
Open House
Wednesday, February 19: 4:00 p.m.- 6:00p.m.
The YMCA at The David Braley Vaughan Centre
200 Apple Mill Road, Vaughan
T3G
Senior Member
Your best bet would be to use the CPTDB wiki to find which buses are so equipped, and then use TransSee to find where they are in service.
DirectionNorth
Senior Member
Service changes from YRT. Hard to tell if some of these are padding or actual new service hours, though goodness knows YRT needs both.
Also, every agency needs to put their schedules in a PDF, damn it. Looking at you, MiWay and YRT. I may need to make a frequency guide someday.
Here's the chart. All times are weekdays except where noted. Because this is YRT, an obligatory reminder that a large percentage of a small number is still a small number.
York Region Transit service changes for 27 April 2025
Also, every agency needs to put their schedules in a PDF, damn it. Looking at you, MiWay and YRT. I may need to make a frequency guide someday.
Here's the chart. All times are weekdays except where noted. Because this is YRT, an obligatory reminder that a large percentage of a small number is still a small number.
York Region Transit service changes for 27 April 2025
| Route | Change | Old/New |
| VIVA Blue | one earlier departure in both directions on Sunday | ~30 minute earlier service in both directions |
| 4 Major Mackenzie | Early morning: +18% | 20 min -> 17 min |
| 4 Major Mackenzie | AM peak: +13% | 17 min -> 15 min |
| 4 Major Mackenzie | Midday: +9% | 25 min -> 23 min |
| 4 Major Mackenzie | PM peak: something something, stop sending irregular buses YRT! | |
| 4 Major Mackenzie | Evening: +6% | 17 min -> 16 min |
| 4 Major Mackenzie | Late evening: +9% | 19 min -> 17 min |
| 4 Major Mackenzie | Saturday morning: +13% | 34 min -> 30 min (did YRT just accidentally stumble into a clockface schedule?) |
| 4 Major Mackenzie | Saturday afternoon: +11% | 31 min -> 28 min (as it turns out, no) |
| 4 Major Mackenzie | Saturday evening: +14% | 33 min -> 29 min |
| 4 Major Mackenzie | Sunday morning: +14% | 33 min -> 29 min |
| 4 Major Mackenzie | Sunday afternoon: +8% | 29 min -> 26 min |
| 7 Martin Grove | routing change | will now terminate at Humber |
| 7 Martin Grove | Early morning: +17% | 27 min -> 23 min |
| 7 Martin Grove | AM peak: +21% | 35 min -> 29 min |
| 7 Martin Grove | Midday: +87% | 60 min -> 32 min |
| 7 Martin Grove | PM peak: +36% | 38 min -> 28 min |
| 7 Martin Grove | Evening: -9% | 39 min -> 43 min |
| 8 Kennedy | Late evening: +20% | 30 min -> 25 min |
| 9 Ninth Line | AM peak: +12% | 37 min -> 33 min |
| 9 Ninth Line | Midday: +7% | 47 min -> 43 min |
| 9 Ninth Line | PM peak: stop sending random headways, please | |
| 9 Ninth Line | Evening: +3% | 39 min -> 38 min |
| 20 Jane | Early morning: something, can't tell, but it's an improvement | something or another -> 11 min |
| 20 Jane | AM peak: +23% | 16 min -> 13 min |
| 20 Jane | PM peak: +21% | 17 min -> 14 min |
| 20 Jane | Evening: +15% | 15 min -> 13 min |
| 20 Jane | Late evening: +14% | 24 min -> 21 min |
| 20 Jane | Saturday morning: +20% | 15 min -> 12 min |
| 20 Jane | Saturday afternoon: +20% | 18 min -> 15 min |
| 20 Jane | Saturday evening: "12-30 minutes" is not a useful guide, YRT | |
| 20 Jane | Sunday morning: +7% | 16 min -> 15 min |
| 20 Jane | Sunday afternoon: +27% | 19 min -> 15 min |
| 20 Jane | Sunday evening: see, Saturday evening | |
| 25 Major Mackenzie | AM peak: schedule time adjustments | Westbound trip adjustments to meet trains at Richmond Hill GO |
| 33 Wellington-Leslie | AM peak: +4% | 46 min -> 44 min |
| 33 Wellington-Leslie | Midday: +7% | 47 min -> 44 min |
| 33 Wellington-Leslie | PM peak: +13% | 52 min -> 46 min |
| 33 Wellington-Leslie | Evening: +21% | 46 min -> 38 min |
| 33 Wellington-Leslie | Saturday morning: irregular -> 39 min | |
| 33 Wellington-Leslie | Saturday afternoon: +16% | 50 min -> 43 min |
| 33 Wellington-Leslie | Saturday evening: +16% | 43 min -> 37 min |
| 50 Queensway | Peak periods: schedule time adjustments | trip adjustments to meet trains at Newmarket GO |
| 54 Bayview | Peak periods: schedule time adjustments | trip adjustments to meet trains at Aurora GO and East Gwillimbury GO |
| 55 Davis | AM peak: trip time adjustment | (single) westbound trip adjustment to meet a train at Newmarket GO |
| 88 Bathurst | Early morning: one earlier SB departure on weekdays | One SB trip extended from Teston to Seneca Polytechnic |
| 88 Bathurst | Saturday morning: +22% | 39-ish min -> 32-ish min |
| 88 Bathurst | Saturday afternoon: -3% | 28 min -> 29 min (come on, just do 30 min, YRT) |
| 88 Bathurst | Saturday evening: -4% | 25 min -> 26 min |
| 88 Bathurst | Sunday afternoon (it says Saturday but I assume they meant Sunday): -7% | 27 min -> 29 min |
| 88 Bathurst | Sunday evening: +7% | 27 min -> 25 min |
| 90 Leslie | Evening: irregular -> 42 mins | |
| 90B Leslie | trip time adjustments | two NB trips adjusted |
| 96 Keele-Yonge | PM peak: trip time adjustment | one SB trip adjusted to meet a train at King City GO |
| 320 Jane Express | AM peak: -7% | 13 min -> 14 min |
| 320 Jane Express | Midday, morning: -8% | 11 min -> 12 min |
| 320 Jane Express | Midday, afternoon & PM peak: -23% | 13 min -> 17 min |
| 320 Jane Express | Evening: +9% | 12 min -> 11 min |
| 320 Jane Express | Saturday morning: +18% | 13 min -> 11 min |
| 320 Jane Express | Saturday evening: +17% | 14 min -> 12 min |
| 320 Jane Express | Sunday morning: +18% (and extended operating hours, may be seasonal, I honestly don't remember) | 13 min -> 11 min |
| 320 Jane Express | Sunday afternoon: -6% | 16 min -> 17 min |
| 320 Jane Express | Sunday evening: new service | 11 min |
| 360 Vaughan Mills/Wonderland | all times | I believe these are regular seasonal changes. |
Northern Light
Superstar
Excellent work as always @DirectionNorth !
Good to see Jane move firmly into sub-15M frequency in all prime periods.
While Martin Grover remains poor, the nearly doubling of mid-day service from hourly to 30m'ish
is certainly welcome. Though how they managed to write the schedule as 29M, 32M and 28M across the two peak periods and midday instead of every 30M 6am-7pm......I'll never know.
Good to see Jane move firmly into sub-15M frequency in all prime periods.
While Martin Grover remains poor, the nearly doubling of mid-day service from hourly to 30m'ish
is certainly welcome. Though how they managed to write the schedule as 29M, 32M and 28M across the two peak periods and midday instead of every 30M 6am-7pm......I'll never know.
DirectionNorth
Senior Member
I would love to know what goes on at York Region Transit's service planning department.
Are they making a conscious decision to run 29 minute headways? Is it some contractor's mathematical formula to maximize payout-per-trip while minimizing delays? An algorithm determining headways? Like, what is running through their heads? LOL!
chrisw
Active Member
Traffic and number of buses. Too much out of line and they might add or subtract a bus.
DirectionNorth
Senior Member
The difference between 29 (or 31) and 30 minutes is not large enough to change the number of buses needed.
As for traffic, YRT is excessively padded, but 30 is better than 29 or 27 minutes - going from 29 to 30 should reduce traffic impacts, not worsen them (and going from 33 to 30 on a Sunday evening should not be schedule-breaking). And if the difference between 30 and 29 is an entire bus, then it's time to start running higher frequencies with that YRT-specialty padding!
Rainforest
Senior Member
One has to wonder, did the planner ever wait for a bus .. or even been on a YRT bus.
chrisw
Active Member
You look at the schedules! I think you're mistaking my point, I think they keep the headway padding at the end of the route consistent. But the scheduled length of the trip is different depending on the time of day.
Of course they could decide to go from 29 to 30 minutes by adding even more excessive padding. If they want to increase frequency on the 33 min by adding a bus it'd drop well below 30 mins and they think 33 min isn't far enough.
Northern Light
Superstar
I think the first point by @DirectionNorth is that yes, 30m service is superior to 29; I agree.
The reason is memory. The bus comes at 19 and 49 each hour....all day. got it.
When the headway is 29, the bus comes at 19, then 48, then 17, then 46, then 15, then 44 and so on.....its much harder to remember and now I need to look up when the bus is coming, its no longer a reflex.
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The second part of this is that many other services in the GTA and beyond run clock face service. Meaning both the that headway interval neatly divides into an hour, but more specifically that the bus will come at the same times each hour, if the service less frequent.
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The final element is how much recovery time is there in the schedule on any given route. I don't know those answers for York Region, I do for TTC. I'm sure we could find out.
But assuming the padding is comparable to TTC, then on a 60M round-trip route you're looking at typical times in the 8-12 minute range. (scheduled layovers at the terminal), there should be enough slack to tackle clockface service in most cases,
Undoubtedly, there may be the odd exception, where taking 33M to 30M just doesn't work without an extra bus, which in turn would drop the headay to every 20M for argument's sake.....and the cost may not be justified.
The problem in YRT's case is that its odd schedules aren't exceptions, they're norms. And they are norms that drive away riders.
ARG1
Senior Member
Afaik its a remnant of Rick Leary's reign. Its basically a big game of smoke and mirrors to pander to higher ups, and pretend that the agency is capable of fiscal responsibility. If you add 1m headways to one route and transfer it from another route, you can pretend that you're doing this to "match capacity with demand" by prioritizing busier/more important routes even if nothing actually changes on the ground. Its just political BS, nothing more.