Towered
Superstar
Depends on the person really. I've been known to occasionally stroll down a busy street like Queen on a nice warm day while openly drinking a beer, but then again I'm a level headed, non-belligerent type.
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SubHuman
Active Member
I think over about the last year or so, most of the time I get on the subway, and it goes, with fewer (but not none) of the "security incident" and "trespasser at track level" type of delays. There seems to have been a change in attitude from the authorities from their previous apathy and inaction, perhaps (I would hope) resulting from more education about the law and what they can and should be doing in these circumstances, along with hearing of examples of other places like New York.
I'm not saying seeing an empty beer can is great, but it's something I would barely notice, compared to if it was being thrown at the windows or doors by a guy while he was yelling at the invisible demons in his mind.
I'm not saying seeing an empty beer can is great, but it's something I would barely notice, compared to if it was being thrown at the windows or doors by a guy while he was yelling at the invisible demons in his mind.
JasonParis
Moderator
In the past week, I’ve had two separate incidents of people smoking on the TTC — once on Line 2 on Sunday and again yesterday on the 506. In the first case, enough riders spoke up that the person eventually put it out. In the second, the operator came to the back and asked the individual to leave the vehicle.
Neil
Active Member
You can't legislate civility. You basically just need one rule: "Don't be a jerk!". And that rule, like all others, depends on enforcement.
Richard White
Senior Member
This was my point. If you have a lightweight pounding back a mickey of screech with a reefer in their hand things likely won't go well.
Now, if you have someone like Andre the Giant where you can put back 115 beers and drive home that's a different story.
fiendishlibrarian
Active Member
Related to this, upcoming changes to provincial regulations:
Proposed New Regulation under the Restricting Public Consumption of Illegal Substances Act, 2025 (RPCISA) to Extend Authorities to Transit Special Constables
stevensontransit
Active Member
Northern Light
Superstar
I'm fine w/this, but my read of the proposal itself is that it doesn't' change anything substantive.
From the proposal itself:
Under the Community Safety and Policing Act, 2019, special constables are appointed by police service boards or the Commissioner of the OPP. The authorities of a special constable employed by an authorized public transit special constable employer may include enforcing the Criminal Code, and Ontario provincial statutes such as the Mental Health Act, Trespass to Property Act, and Liquor Licence and Control Act, 2019.
That means they already have the authority to trespass someone, which can include arrest if violating a trespass order. They also already have authority to charge under the criminal code; and possession is an offense. They can also charge under the Mental Health Act if someone is clearly not in their right mind; and presumably they can also charge for public intoxication which is under the above mentioned Liquor License and Control Act, if applicable.
I suppose 'use' might not be expressly covered under the above. But I think @lenaitch should be consulted on that.
My instinct is that any issue here is the management directive on escalation and use of force rather than a statutory one, but perhaps I'm wrong on that.
Amare
Senior Member
Nice in theory, but i'd love to see nothing is going to change unfortunately.
The court systems are already overburdened, they wont have the time to deal with any charges like this and charges would ultimately just get stayed and expire.
Until the province gets serious about addressing the court backlogs, clogged up prisons, mental health, and homelessness, we'll continue to see this.
Many posters here have noted seeing people drinking on the TTC, but at this point that's pretty much common occurrence. I've seen people literally smoking crack pipes on the subway, and lining up cocaine wide in the open during rush hour. The problems are spiralling, and unfortunately we have a useless premier who has and continues to exasperate the issue.
lenaitch
Senior Member
I'm not directly familiar with the Act but, based on a quick review; although the word "use" does appear in the legislation, the actual substantive section does employ the word 'consume':
3 (1) If an officer has reasonable grounds to believe that a person is consuming an illegal substance in a public place in contravention of subsection 2 (1), the officer may do one or both of the following:
1. Direct the person to cease consuming the illegal substance in the public place.
2. Direct the person to leave,
i. the public place, or
ii. a part of the public place, such as a structure being used as a dwelling where its use as a dwelling in the public place is not permitted by law.
Compliance
(2) A person who is the subject of a direction under subsection (1) shall promptly comply with the direction.
Offence
(3) A person who fails to comply with subsection (2) is guilty of an offence.
It's a little odd. Although Sec 2 prohibits the consumption, it does not create an offence. The offence is created when failing to comply with a request to cease/leave. 2 (1) Subject to subsections (2) and (3), no person shall consume an illegal substance in a public place.
Richard White
Senior Member
Apparently the 510 will be out of commission for a few days due to underground power supply issues.
Shuttle buses have been ordered
This doesn't bode well for the world cup.
https://www.cp24.com/local/toronto/...ely-be-out-of-service-for-couple-of-days-ttc/
Shuttle buses have been ordered
This doesn't bode well for the world cup.
https://www.cp24.com/local/toronto/...ely-be-out-of-service-for-couple-of-days-ttc/
T3G
Senior Member
???
The World Cup that doesn't start for another 4 months, you mean????
Richard White
Senior Member
To give some context, when Bathurst had a major service increase recently they suffered power supply issues which knocked out the line.
Now, a similar situation is happening to Spadina for different reasons.
My point was that if we start experiencing power supply issues for the streetcar lines, it is a bad sign for the increased services required for the world cup. The last thing you want is increased service to overload the power supply during a high profile event.
smallspy
Senior Member
Considering that the article is so limited on actual information as to be almost worthless, you don't actually know what the cause of the outage is. And for the record, neither do I.
For all we know, it may be a water intrusion issue with all the freezing and thawing (and freezing) that we've had over the past week plus. It certainly isn't service improvements, because there's been none of those in the past week on Spadina. And it isn't because of a system overload, because they've run other routes into Spadina in the past without any faults.
Dan
Richard White
Senior Member
Fair enough but the last thing you want is failed infrastructure and major replacement the month before the World Cup.