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CMQSD402F9011 said:
Most disappointing recently is the Adtranz M-4's, which are being replaced after a mere 28 years in service.
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Unless they get the H6 treatment (every single one scrapped), where's the disappointment, exactly (aside from the disappointment that only the Hawkers get this treatment)?

btw, they're not being replaced right this instant, after a quick look on wikipedia it won't happen until 2029–2031 when they'll be well in their 30s. And the fact that their replacements are due to arrive starting in 2028/2029 when the contract was only awarded last year means there's no reason why the T1 replacement can't progress at a similarly fast pace.

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If Greenwood was able to handle six-packs there might have been merit in forming T1s into fixed trainsets and putting an equipment cabinet at either end. But it isn't, and the T1s are even further into their lifespan now, so that's that.
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On the contrary, if GW could handle 6-packs there'd be less excuses to keep the T1s around longer than they should be. One of the excuses was to keep them around until Kipling yard was built, due to the limitations of GW, before they thought better of it and decided to abandon 6-packs & go back to 2-packs for the T1 replacements. Ever since then, the only excuse was the Feds dragging their heels in funding the replacements. In any case, I still don't see the need to convert the T1s from 2s to 6s even if they were to be converted to ATO.
 
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TTC proposing yet another fare freeze

"As a result of this work, the 2026 budget proposes the following strategic investments:•

Maintain 2024 fare levels for a third consecutive year - No fare increase for 2026."

Much as I like the idea of low fares, they tend to equate with poor service!
 
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DSCToronto said:
TTC proposing yet another fare freeze

As a result of this work, the 2026 budget proposes the following strategic investments:•

Maintain 2024 fare levels for a third consecutive year - No fare increase for 2026

Much as I like the idea of low fares, they tend to equate with poor service!
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Election year it is.

AoD
 
DSCToronto said:
TTC proposing yet another fare freeze

As a result of this work, the 2026 budget proposes the following strategic investments:•

Maintain 2024 fare levels for a third consecutive year - No fare increase for 2026

Much as I like the idea of low fares, they tend to equate with poor service!
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I tend to agree with you on that.

Honestly, unless Doug Ford ponies up to subsidize the TTC they will need to raise fares eventually. I am sorry that low income people mnay have a hard time affording transit but at some point we need to properly fund the system.

If we cannot get the required revenue from other levels of government, we need to increase fares.

The reality is Doug Ford won't fund the TTC's operating costs. No matter how much Olivia Chow or the TTC demand money from the province, it won't happen. We need to accept that reality and find a solution before the service gets so bad nobody wants to ride.
 
From Metrolinx site... I was getting excited until I see it is FOUR PRESTO MACHINES. At one time there were plans for Fare Vending machines at all major TTC stops!

Metrolinx and the TTC are installing four PRESTO Fare Vending Machines (FVMs) at key street corners across Toronto, providing nearly 18,000 daily riders with more convenient access to PRESTO services.

“Bringing PRESTO machines closer to home makes it simple and convenient for customers to confidently choose transit,” said Metrolinx President and CEO Michael Lindsay. “It’s about equity, accessibility and putting communities first.”
 
DSCToronto said:
From Metrolinx site... I was getting excited until I see it is FOUR PRESTO MACHINES. At one time there were plans for Fare Vending machines at all major TTC stops!

Metrolinx and the TTC are installing four PRESTO Fare Vending Machines (FVMs) at key street corners across Toronto, providing nearly 18,000 daily riders with more convenient access to PRESTO services.

“Bringing PRESTO machines closer to home makes it simple and convenient for customers to confidently choose transit,” said Metrolinx President and CEO Michael Lindsay. “It’s about equity, accessibility and putting communities first.”
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That's one reason for removing bus/streetcar stops that are close together.
 
DSCToronto said:
From Metrolinx site... I was getting excited until I see it is FOUR PRESTO MACHINES. At one time there were plans for Fare Vending machines at all major TTC stops!

Metrolinx and the TTC are installing four PRESTO Fare Vending Machines (FVMs) at key street corners across Toronto, providing nearly 18,000 daily riders with more convenient access to PRESTO services.
“Bringing PRESTO machines closer to home makes it simple and convenient for customers to confidently choose transit,” said Metrolinx President and CEO Michael Lindsay. “It’s about equity, accessibility and putting communities first.”
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Here's the link: https://www.metrolinx.com/en/news/metrolinx-and-ttc-expand-presto-access-across-toronto

Key points:
  • Despite the claim they are new, they are in fact machines previously installed at Line 3 stations
  • One machine was recently installed at Jane & Sheppard West
  • A second is in progress at Markham & Ellesmere
  • Two more are planned for Kennedy & Ellesmere as well as Keele & Lawrence West
 
DSCToronto said:
TTC proposing yet another fare freeze

"As a result of this work, the 2026 budget proposes the following strategic investments:•

Maintain 2024 fare levels for a third consecutive year - No fare increase for 2026."

Much as I like the idea of low fares, they tend to equate with poor service!
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I am of the understanding that there will be some further investments beyond the above......but they are being held back for now. Possible I'm wrong and they've changed directions.... TBD.
 
Northern Light said:
I am of the understanding that there will be some further investments beyond the above......but they are being held back for now. Possible I'm wrong and they've changed directions.... TBD.
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Yes, I only reported the (NOT) Fare Increase info. The Report notes:

As a result of this work, the 2026 budget proposes the following strategic investments
:• Maintain 2024 fare levels for a third consecutive year o No fare increase for 2026
• Maintain service levels and coverage initially funded in 2025
• Continue safety and security measures that improve customer safety and perception of safety across the network
• Fund the first full-year of operations for Line 5 and Line 6• Reduce the state-of-good-repair backlog incrementally• Accommodate additional service requirements for the 2026 FIFA World Cup
• Meet the City’s 2026 operating base budget target of a $91 million net increase over 2025 (lower than the $120 million outlook for 2026 that was presented as part of the approved 2025 budget).

SEE: https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2025/tts/bgrd/backgroundfile-260138.pdf
 
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Yesterday's budget update:


Noteworthy is the fact that the TTC appears to want to divest themselves of their artic buses, I assume the early ones from 2013-2014.

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Seems unfortunate.
 
T3G said:
Yesterday's budget update:


Noteworthy is the fact that the TTC appears to want to divest themselves of their artic buses, I assume the early ones from 2013-2014.

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Seems unfortunate.
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Not quite as low as it seems.

When you look at the first column, which is the net savings in operator hours per year as a result of the Crosstown and Finch opening, those will, effectively, be deployed as service increase elsewhere, beginning in September '26.

If you add in those numbers, on an annualized basis, which are equal to roughly a 1.2% service increase, you get an overall increase of 3.2% as experienced by riders. It just doesn't show as an increase, because those operators hours are already funded as the Eglinton and Finch buses.
 
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T3G said:
Yesterday's budget update:


Noteworthy is the fact that the TTC appears to want to divest themselves of their artic buses, I assume the early ones from 2013-2014.

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Seems unfortunate.
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I would hope this is only retirement of older models and not a full step away from artics again. They did this in the early 2000's after the Orion III's were retired only to back-track on the decision in the 2013. Even with the opening of the EC and FW LRT's there are still routes in the city that warrant use of 60's buses (e.g. Dufferin), as well if travel patterns change some routes will loose ridership, but no doubt some will gain it.
 
Kennedy Station is getting new trackside walls installed. More of the faux vitrolite, this time in grey with rust red trim.

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Credit to: Transit Toronto's social media feed.
 
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