turbanplanner
Senior Member
Stranger things have happened
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mr_content
New Member
Given the laundry list of charges he's facing—including failure to comply with release orders and probation—the cost of bail is likely to be prohibitive if offered at all.
I guess if there's any silver lining here for passenger safety it's that this was targeted, rather than some nutjob with an appetite for trouble. Not much of a silver lining, mind you...
evandyk
Senior Member
Although the second guy stabbed seems to be a bystander who tried to step in, another reminder of why many people choose to look the other way at anti-social behaviour in the moment.
81-717
Active Member
So it's not the first time he's been "caught & released", eh?
zang
Senior Member
Should we ban probation then?
81-717
Active Member
Depends what he was caught & released for the first time. If it was something similar to this, he should never have been released in the first place
zang
Senior Member
Likely not assault with a weapon, attempted murder, etc.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Admiral Beez
Superstar
For violent crime, in most cases yes. There is such a thing as bad people.
nfitz
Superstar
A quick look at data suggests there's about 8,000 in Ontario currently in jail, and 32,000 on probation.
So at a minimum we'd have to quadruple the prison budget.
I doubt this guy is getting probabation though - even if the information suggests this is domestic, suggesting he isn't a risk to the general population.
zang
Senior Member
Violent crimes rarely get probation. The exception is domestic assault, which I'm sure will turn out to be the case here.
I do believe that probation in DA should only be reserved for extreme cases, as that seemingly enables assaulters to reengage with their victims.
That said, we also have a justice system that's supposed to be based on rehabilitation, and recidivism rates in general have been dropping; Criminal Offences: 23%, Provincial Offences, Ontario: 37%. If we want to move towards a purely penalizing system of justice and imprisonment, buckle up for US-style recidivism rates.
All conservative media reactionary fearmongering aside; given that more than ¾ of those with criminal convictions don't reoffend within 5 years of release, and that number seems to be growing, doesn't that mean the system is working?
evandyk
Senior Member
This is also not the main situation where bail is important. We know the guy did the stabbing, but in many cases, being charged with a crime does not mean that you actually committed the crime. Should you rot in jail until our notoriously slow courts figure that out?
I have a friend who is a prosecutor, who tells me that the single most important thing a government could do if they want to reduce the number of people who get bail is to (a) speed up the courts so people can get trials in a timely fashion; and (b) improve the conditions in the jails so that judges view them as humane places for someone to await a trial.
I have a friend who is a prosecutor, who tells me that the single most important thing a government could do if they want to reduce the number of people who get bail is to (a) speed up the courts so people can get trials in a timely fashion; and (b) improve the conditions in the jails so that judges view them as humane places for someone to await a trial.
nfitz
Superstar
All of which lands on the provincial government. Someone needs to do something about Doug Ford's catch-and-release program.
evandyk
Senior Member
Yup.
PurplePinky
Active Member
The system has been a mess long before DF came along.