81-717
Active Member
By the way does Trudeau resigning, presumably without having signed off on the funding, also work against it?
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nfitz
Superstar
Yes - but he doesn't resign until after the leadership vote in March. Last time this happened, the incoming Liberal PM didn't start until over a month after the vote (probably faster this time). So it could be easily be April before Trudeau resigns. Perhaps longer if the opposition somehow triggers an unexpected election.
If things go as scheduled the earliest we can have an election is May 5. And I doubt very much that Carney would renege. So over 3 months at least.
drum118
Superstar
I have said far to long that video screen be used between tacks and on the wall to display adds, when next train is coming, time, system updates, news and weather considering what screens cost today as well giving riders something to look at while waiting for the train. If there is a problems on the line, it can keep riders informed as to what is taking place and when service may resume assuming TTC has someone able to deal with real time messaging those screens.
Northern Light
Superstar
The Prime Minister clearly approved the funding, his cabinet minister announced it publicly.
Beyond that, his signature is not required on anything.
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
I don't think it was ever supposed to do anything other then show ads as it want up at the same time as the larger ones at Dundas went up
turbanplanner
Senior Member
TBH 99% of the time I hear a service announcement (trains holding, medical alarm) It doesn't make it to the TTC alerts website so I doubt it'd show on the screens
Richard White
Senior Member
Not only that but sometimes they clear so fast that it does not make sense to post them.
You know how many times I have been on a train with door issues or an EA activation only for it to clear 2 seconds after the initial announcement was made over the tannoy?
turbanplanner
Senior Member
My favorite example is getting off an eastbound BD train at spadina, the driver opens his window telling people on the stairs not to run since it'll be a while. By the time I pass the streetcar platform you hear the chime and the train leaves!
Bordercollie
Senior Member
Apparently it's a common occurrence for the first train from Finch to be delayed due to work crews being delayed from clearing the line. Currently we are 15 minutes late departing Finch. No ETA on when we will leave the station.
drum118
Superstar
TTC and B.C.-based Gatekeeper Systems teaming up to develop streetcar safety camera pilot
Feb. 5, 2025
The TTC is improving safety for streetcar customers by piloting automatic camera enforcement technology for motorists who pass open doors. The pilot contract has been awarded to B.C.-based Gatekeeper Systems Inc.
Through the pilot, the TTC and Gatekeeper will develop and pilot a new enforcement system to record the incident and license plate information. Passing open streetcar doors puts those boarding and exiting streetcars in danger and illegal under Ontario’s Highway Traffic Act (HTA).
Between 2014 and 2024, 141 individuals have been contacted by vehicles while boarding or exiting streetcars. In addition, the TTC gets anecdotal reports of open-door passing multiple times daily.
A change to the HTA made in 2021 means that as of July 1, 2022 camera-based enforcement is allowed. The TTC has been advocating for use of cameras since 2015.
The current fine for passing open streetcar doors is up to $183.25 plus three demerit points.
The pilot will cost approximately $460,000 and includes development, installation of cameras on four streetcars, and nine months of testing starting later next year. No tickets will be issued as part of the pilot.
“The City of Toronto has an ongoing commitment to safer streets for all road users, including TTC customers riding streetcars,” said Mayor Olivia Chow. “I’m pleased to see this safety program moving ahead and I look forward to seeing the results of the pilot project.”
“The TTC Board has made the safety of streetcar customers a priority for our operations teams, and addressing those who illegally pass open doors is an important part of improving safety,” said TTC Chair Jamaal Myers. “Through this pilot, we can fine-tune the program and make the TTC an even safer way to get around the City.”
“Safety is our top concern, and every day, we hear about dozens of instances of cars passing open streetcar doors in mixed traffic with no regard for the safety of our customers,” said TTC CEO Greg Percy. “We are serious about putting an end to that through new industry-leading technological solutions. This is the first step in that process.”
“We are delighted to work with the TTC on this important initiative to improve passenger safety,” said Doug Dyment, Gatekeeper’s President and CEO. “Protecting people in transit is our corporate mission and we are very proud to add Canada’s largest public transit system to our growing list of transit customers.”
The TTC is also developing an on-street streetcar safety campaign to roll out in the coming weeks, reminding all road users that they must stop behind open streetcar doors.
Feb. 5, 2025
The TTC is improving safety for streetcar customers by piloting automatic camera enforcement technology for motorists who pass open doors. The pilot contract has been awarded to B.C.-based Gatekeeper Systems Inc.
Through the pilot, the TTC and Gatekeeper will develop and pilot a new enforcement system to record the incident and license plate information. Passing open streetcar doors puts those boarding and exiting streetcars in danger and illegal under Ontario’s Highway Traffic Act (HTA).
Between 2014 and 2024, 141 individuals have been contacted by vehicles while boarding or exiting streetcars. In addition, the TTC gets anecdotal reports of open-door passing multiple times daily.
A change to the HTA made in 2021 means that as of July 1, 2022 camera-based enforcement is allowed. The TTC has been advocating for use of cameras since 2015.
The current fine for passing open streetcar doors is up to $183.25 plus three demerit points.
The pilot will cost approximately $460,000 and includes development, installation of cameras on four streetcars, and nine months of testing starting later next year. No tickets will be issued as part of the pilot.
“The City of Toronto has an ongoing commitment to safer streets for all road users, including TTC customers riding streetcars,” said Mayor Olivia Chow. “I’m pleased to see this safety program moving ahead and I look forward to seeing the results of the pilot project.”
“The TTC Board has made the safety of streetcar customers a priority for our operations teams, and addressing those who illegally pass open doors is an important part of improving safety,” said TTC Chair Jamaal Myers. “Through this pilot, we can fine-tune the program and make the TTC an even safer way to get around the City.”
“Safety is our top concern, and every day, we hear about dozens of instances of cars passing open streetcar doors in mixed traffic with no regard for the safety of our customers,” said TTC CEO Greg Percy. “We are serious about putting an end to that through new industry-leading technological solutions. This is the first step in that process.”
“We are delighted to work with the TTC on this important initiative to improve passenger safety,” said Doug Dyment, Gatekeeper’s President and CEO. “Protecting people in transit is our corporate mission and we are very proud to add Canada’s largest public transit system to our growing list of transit customers.”
The TTC is also developing an on-street streetcar safety campaign to roll out in the coming weeks, reminding all road users that they must stop behind open streetcar doors.
Mihairokov
Senior Member
Was nearly hit by a driver that didn't stop for a streetcar this past week on Dundas, so happy to see eventual automatic enforcement. You have to really mess up to ignore the streetcar driver signalling, honking, and the doors opening for the full length of the car.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
This video is from 12 years ago, when the fine was lower. Having cameras catching and doing the enforcing will be opposed by Ford Nation and other automobile disciples...
81-717
Active Member
A "road rule particular to toronto"? Wouldn't all other cities with trams have similar rules common sense where trams run in mixed traffic?
Jonny5
Senior Member
Huge numbers of visitors who are driving here have never seen a streetcar in their life.
I've said before there should be large and clear "DO NOT PASS STREETCARS WITH DOORS OPEN" signs on the Gardiner off-ramps.
It's not a total solution, but there are legitimately drivers visiting the City that have no clue how to handle streetcars, and something as cheap and simple as a sign on those offramps would cut back on this issue.
I've said before there should be large and clear "DO NOT PASS STREETCARS WITH DOORS OPEN" signs on the Gardiner off-ramps.
It's not a total solution, but there are legitimately drivers visiting the City that have no clue how to handle streetcars, and something as cheap and simple as a sign on those offramps would cut back on this issue.
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drum118
Superstar
I cannot think of a system in Europe where I have got off a tram in mix traffic like TTC. There was a line in Frankfurt that did in 2012, but had traffic lights behind the tram stops that were activated when tram was to entre the station box area with traffic coming to a stop. As it left the box area, the light change to green, but did not find that line in 2022.