[T3G]

A "road rule particular to toronto"? Wouldn't all other cities with trams have similar rules common sense where trams run in mixed traffic?

Perhaps they meant in Canada? I'm not aware of any other cities having operations where people step down into a live lane of traffic instead of onto a platform.

It could also just be Torontonian exceptionalism. We're pretty good at assuming no one else in the world is like us.

I cannot think of a system in Europe where I have got off a tram in mix traffic like TTC.

Bratislava and Prague. And I think Vienna, because when the mixed traffic stop was proposed in Bratislava it was billed as a Vienna-style solution. Regrettably I haven't been back to Vienna since I was 7 so I'm unable to confirm.

 

[Mihairokov]

Berlin is similar to Toronto with their (mostly East Berlin) trams:

In some cases, like below on Boxhagener, there is a raised bike lane which provides an easier step down. This is similar to what we do with our bike lanes with bus stops - the first that comes to mind is Sherbourne:

 

[drum118]

Perhaps they meant in Canada? I'm not aware of any other cities having operations where people step down into a live lane of traffic instead of onto a platform.

It could also just be Torontonian exceptionalism. We're pretty good at assuming no one else in the world is like us.


Bratislava and Prague. And I think Vienna, because when the mixed traffic stop was proposed in Bratislava it was billed as a Vienna-style solution. Regrettably I haven't been back to Vienna since I was 7 so I'm unable to confirm.

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Been to both Prague and Vienna, but not all the lines routes and never saw or walked across a live traffic lane to get to/from a tram like TTC. Always had some sort of platform either as an island or bump out

 

[Kyle Campbell]

One branch of the Green Line in Boston has street running with you getting off in the middle of the lane (can't remember which one)

I think Pittsburgh also has some sections like this. But overall it's extremely rare. But I thought the streetcars had all the flashing lights now to tell cars to stop.

Still doesn't hurt to use the camera, I'd imagine it's essentially the same device they use on school bus's

 

[Steve X]

Berlin is similar to Toronto with their (mostly East Berlin) trams:
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In some cases, like below on Boxhagener, there is a raised bike lane which provides an easier step down. This is similar to what we do with our bike lanes with bus stops - the first that comes to mind is Sherbourne:
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Berlin definitely have many mix traffic stops like here. I always wonder how they got that much space to build those ROW on half their network. I guess it was easier when half the city was bombed at one point.

West Berlin got rid of all their trams in favour of subways. Anything in the west side were recently built.

You can see a full live lane of traffic here with no stopping allowed.

 

[bearcat]

Berlin definitely have many mix traffic stops like here. I always wonder how they got that much space to build those ROW on half their network. I guess it was easier when half the city was bombed at one point.

West Berlin got rid of all their trams in favour of subways. Anything in the west side were recently built.

You can see a full live lane of traffic here with no stopping allowed.

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This is not uncommon in Melbourne, which I believe by some metrics is the largest tram network in the world.

See video here:

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They also have "hook turns" there so cars turning right (our left) don't block the trams:

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[T3G]

Been to both Prague and Vienna, but not all the lines routes and never saw or walked across a live traffic lane to get to/from a tram like TTC. Always had some sort of platform either as an island or bump out

They are not as common as in Toronto (I think there's less than 6 in the city?) but the stop shown in the example above was on the north side of the river.

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[bearcat]

They are not as common as in Toronto (I think there's less than 6 in the city?) but the stop shown in the example above was on the north side of the river.

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Just one stop further down this tram line there is one just like in Toronto for example, not even with the car lane raised:

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[Northern Light]

TTC Service Changes are out for February 16th.

@Steve Munro does his usual excellent job laying it all out: https://stevemunro.ca/2025/02/06/tt...CqUGNC8MilPHrFu3ZA_aem_MvAwLz0YlRXbxXZoH71dng

The changes are generally modest in nature with the exception of construction-related changes for the work to come at the Bathurst/Fleet intersection.

But there are two very modest changes I'm keen on.

1) The Highland Creek bus (which I've never taken) is not getting a service increase or decrease! I know, I know....then what am I on about? Its getting its excessive layover times cut, so that it can maintain the same level of service with fewer buses
Do that to another 3 dozen routes, and there will be lots of buses/operators available to improve service!

2) They are consolidating 2 ridiculously close bus stops SB on Dufferin (Chandos and Geary) and replacing them with one, at Brandon. Even after this, no stops between Davenport and Dupont will be greater than 300M apart. Low hanging fruit; great, repeat at 8 to 10 locations every single board period until we're rid of the 300 most useless stops in the system.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Berlin definitely have many mix traffic stops like here. I always wonder how they got that much space to build those ROW on half their network. I guess it was easier when half the city was bombed at one point.

West Berlin got rid of all their trams in favour of subways. Anything in the west side were recently built.

You can see a full live lane of traffic here with no stopping allowed.

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There tend to be no parking on such streets. Parking is on the side streets or parking lots. Toronto should ban on-street parking along most downtown streetcar and bus routes.

 

[Mihairokov]

There tend to be no parking on such streets. Parking is on the side streets or parking lots. Toronto should ban on-street parking along most downtown streetcar and bus routes.

Definitely agree, but the difference between Berlin and Toronto is that the former has a ton of transit options which negates the need for a car. Toronto isn't too bad, but there are still too many vehicles and too many routes where a car is easier and faster to take (Ontario Line will help a ton with this!). Banning parking on streetcar and bus routes unfortunately doesn't remove Ubers, delivery vehicles, etc.

Toronto's network is ok downtown but it doesn't have anything like Schonhauser Allee which as a non-terminus, non-station intersection has street-level trams and buses, elevated metro subway, and underground regional trains at one intersection. I guess the equivalent would be if we added a buried GO Line go through Yonge-Dundas.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Definitely agree, but the difference between Berlin and Toronto is that the former has a ton of transit options which negates the need for a car. Toronto isn't too bad, but there are still too many vehicles and too many routes where a car is easier and faster to take (Ontario Line will help a ton with this!). Banning parking on streetcar and bus routes unfortunately doesn't remove Ubers, delivery vehicles, etc.

Toronto's network is ok downtown but it doesn't have anything like Schonhauser Allee which as a non-terminus, non-station intersection has street-level trams and buses, elevated metro subway, and underground regional trains at one intersection. I guess the equivalent would be if we added a buried GO Line go through Yonge-Dundas.

Then there's Doug Ford. Ford is vowing to keep the cut to gas tax if re-elected. Also if re-elected, a PC government would also ban congestion pricing in the province. Both negative for public transit in general.

 

[Richard White]

From Royal York station.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TTC/comments/1ij6rlb/at_royal_york

 

[APTA-2048]

From Royal York station.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TTC/comments/1ij6rlb/at_royal_york

I don’t know why people feel the need to post this shit. Don’t give vandals any exposure. Let the TTC know and let them clean it up.

 

[nfitz]

How the frig does that happen in plain view of a camera, with no response? (answer - because it's the TTC)