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T3G said:
Is the situation really that bad in the trucking industry that their only requirements are that the person has to have a pulse? This is getting really out of hand. When is someone going to come down on these troglodytes for continuously hiring people that put the general public in danger?
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Reminds me of all those trucks driving with their bed raised and hitting highway signs, or trucks getting stuck at rail crossings. Funny the first few times, but after the millionth time it gets old and just annoying when you're just asking yourself "how the hell does the exact same thing keep happening over and over again"
 
Shameful. It’s high time we see the pillory make a comeback.
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In all seriousness, after many incidents of this sort with special purpose trucks (not specifically in Toronto), I think we need to pass on some liability beyond the drivers to see some changes made. In this instance I think GFL or their vehicle supplier should consider introducing interlocking mechanisms to prevent exceeding say 5-10 km/h with arms raised. Consider even more obvious status indication to drivers.

At the least, studies should be performed. What is the cost of a safety retrofit on 300 Toronto waste collection vehicles vs. the full, indirect costs of this one incident.
 
I imagine this is going to have a significant impact on GFL's insurance premiums. But some insurer should be made to pay the full cost of this so they incentivize the industry to make changes. Unfortunately, the indirect costs to the people delayed/inconvenienced due to this will never be considered. Unless there's an enterprising class action lawyer out there who wants to take this on.
 
81-717 said:
Reminds me of all those trucks driving with their bed raised and hitting highway signs, or trucks getting stuck at rail crossings. Funny the first few times, but after the millionth time it gets old and just annoying when you're just asking yourself "how the hell does the exact same thing keep happening over and over again"
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reinventingthewheel said:
Shameful. It’s high time we see the pillory make a comeback.
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In all seriousness, after many incidents of this sort with special purpose trucks (not specifically in Toronto), I think we need to pass on some liability beyond the drivers to see some changes made. In this instance I think GFL or their vehicle supplier should consider introducing interlocking mechanisms to prevent exceeding say 5-10 km/h with arms raised. Consider even more obvious status indication to drivers.

At the least, studies should be performed. What is the cost of a safety retrofit on 300 Toronto waste collection vehicles vs. the full, indirect costs of this one incident.
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T3G said:
Is the situation really that bad in the trucking industry that their only requirements are that the person has to have a pulse? This is getting really out of hand. When is someone going to come down on these troglodytes for continuously hiring people that put the general public in danger?
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Its not just the 'arms raised' issue.......though that would have likely done much the same damage here if that were the extent of it............

Look at the image..........he's still got the @#$% bin up in the air.........

The driver left a job site with the bin on the arms, in the air...............
 
evandyk said:
The guy who closed the Burlington Skyway for four days went to jail for a year.


But the answer is, we just don't take damage caused by cars and trucks as seriously as we would if it was caused by anything else. We just call it an accident. Oooops! And we move on.
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Strange how there's no mention of fines for whatever trucking firm/transport company hired him?
 
T3G said:
Is the situation really that bad in the trucking industry that their only requirements are that the person has to have a pulse? This is getting really out of hand. When is someone going to come down on these troglodytes for continuously hiring people that put the general public in danger?
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Yep! These companies pay like crap and have a revolving door of bottom of the barrel workers. You got a pulse and two legs you're hired. Just in my area the power-lines have been take out twice this year by incompetent drivers who forgot to put the forks down as they were exiting strip mall parking lot! I was also stuck on bus in traffic last year when a truck's forks took out the traffic light.
 
AHK said:
The King Spadina OCS damage is really extensive - so much so that, from comments on site, the damaged components are unrepairable - they must be cut down completely, and then rebuilt from scratch. It will take days, not hours.

The final photo does not show any damage, it was the sign in the passenger side front widow of the truck - just very appropriate under the circumstances:

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A sign for the intersection:

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King and Spadina is a Grand Union. I wonder how this will impact the network.
 
gabe said:
Yep! These companies pay like crap and have a revolving door of bottom of the barrel workers. You got a pulse and two legs you're hired. Just in my area the power-lines have been take out twice this year by incompetent drivers who forgot to put the forks down as they were exiting strip mall parking lot! I was also stuck on bus in traffic last year when a truck's forks took out the traffic light.
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This is right on.

Sadly, don't see just punishing the drivers as something that will solve any of this. As noted above the Skyway guy got jail time, presumably he isn't employable in the industry, and none of this is enough of a deterrent.

It's time we recognized that it's 2024 and that somebody can make a computer that will either immobile or speed limit trucks when their bins/forks/protrusions are raised. Having an alarm isn't enough, and they get tampered with and we get situations like this. The regulator (or the insurance industry) needs to push trucking towards solving this issue once and for all.
 
max said:
This is right on.

Sadly, don't see just punishing the drivers as something that will solve any of this. As noted above the Skyway guy got jail time, presumably he isn't employable in the industry, and none of this is enough of a deterrent.

It's time we recognized that it's 2024 and that somebody can make a computer that will either immobile or speed limit trucks when their bins/forks/protrusions are raised. Having an alarm isn't enough, and they get tampered with and we get situations like this. The regulator (or the insurance industry) needs to push trucking towards solving this issue once and for all.
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You need to get these companies where it hurts - their wallet books. Anything else is secondary.

AoD
 
I would go after regulations to ensure adequate safety equipment is installed that prevents this situation (if not already in place for newer vehicles)... I can't think of why a vehicle should be able to drive at speed with bin up.

Warning lights and stickers in the cab do not prevent error... Examples of what I believe this truck has inside to prevent (unsure what, if any, additional safety equipment is installed by GFL):
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From the manual, the console panel would be red, but not prevent driving afaik:
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Source
 
Streetcar power network repairs underway at King and Spadina

Dec. 17, 2024

TTC crews are assessing damage caused to the streetcar overhead power network at King St. W. and Spadina Ave. Clean-up efforts are underway after a garbage truck contacted live wires that supply power to TTC streetcars. The accident occurred around 8 a.m. today during the morning rush.

Once the site is cleared of all down wires and is deemed safe, TTC engineers will begin repairing salvageable wires, installing and configuring new wires, and ensuring breakers and other power systems are operational before testing the system for safe operations.

Although the timeline for restoring service remains uncertain, the process is expected to be lengthy, and streetcar diversions are likely to persist throughout the day.

Streetcar service diversions are in place on several routes, including the 501 Queen, 504 King, 508 Lake Shore, 510 Spadina, and 511 Bathurst. Buses are supplementing service where possible.

Customers are encouraged to check www.ttc.ca or follow @TTCNotices on X for the latest information about diversion routes and alternative transit options.
 
Coolibop said:
I would go after regulations to ensure adequate safety equipment is installed that prevents this situation (if not already in place for newer vehicles)... I can't think of why a vehicle should be able to drive at speed with bin up.

Warning lights and stickers in the cab do not prevent error... Examples of what I believe this truck has inside to prevent (unsure what, if any, additional safety equipment is installed by GFL):
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From the manual, the console panel would be red, but not prevent driving afaik:
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Wait 10 years to change regulations. No one enforces.

Same shizz, different day.
 
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That's is one hell of a detour. Why not go east to York and Adelaide? Is it because they had to shut off the power at Queen/Spadina too?
 
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