[drum118]

Dec 15
The Kipling surface west entrance is finally open with access to/from it in all direction.

There is a milling n]machine on site now and not sure where it will be milling unless they plan on redoing the kiss-ride and cab parking area. Until that area is fully clean along withe the removal of everything store on it, milling and paving cannot happen and most likely happen some time this week.

Looks kike it happen some time this past week.

 

[DSCToronto]

Dec 15
The surface west entrance is finally open with access to/from it in all direction.

There is a milling n]machine on site now and not sure where it will be milling unless they plan on redoing the kiss-ride and cab parking area. Until that area is fully clean along withe the removal of everything store on it, milling and paving cannot happen and most likely happen some time this week.

Looks kike it happen some time this past week.

Which Station are you talking about?

 

[drum118]

Which Station are you talking about?

Woops Kipling

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

Seen by me - one of the old CLRV streetcars became stopped with its pole under a section isolator, it was stuck - until another car came from the other direction. The operator of the other car used the rope to position the pole of the stuck car against the overhead cable outside of the section isolator, and the operator of the stuck car was able to move forward to the point where the pickup shoe would no longer be under the section isolator. It struck me at the time that the operator on the outside of the car had not positioned the shoe on the other wire, just the side of the pole in order to make the connection. So obviously, the pole was conductive at the point where he placed it against the overhead wire.

The section isolators don't have power. It's basically a section between two sections of power lines, that's why they would have signs for the drivers to proceed without power and only coast through them.

Check your information. Trolley bus poles are fibreglass, as you don't want to create a short by having a dewired pole touch both lines.

Streetcar poles are steel, and have been forever. That's why they bend and don't break when they fail.

what's your source on this? I've seen one of the maintenance team replacing a broken pole on one of the new streetcars one time by Spadina and Queen's Quay and it definitely wasn't steel. The poles being steel would be very dangerous if they made contact with the wire as they would conduct electricity to anyone who touches it,

 

[smallspy]

what's your source on this? I've seen one of the maintenance team replacing a broken pole on one of the new streetcars one time by Spadina and Queen's Quay and it definitely wasn't steel. The poles being steel would be very dangerous if they made contact with the wire as they would conduct electricity to anyone who touches it,

My source?

The TTC. And having actually handled a pole.

Dan

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

My source?

The TTC. And having actually handled a pole.

Dan

As in the trolly pole at the back of a streetcar?
Maybe I was wrong about it but it sounds dangerous to me to have it be a conductive material as it can still touch the wire above if you aren't careful when handling it.

 

[DSCToronto]

As in the trolly pole at the back of a streetcar?
Maybe I was wrong about it but it sounds dangerous to me to have it be a conductive material as it can still touch the wire above if you aren't careful when handling it.

I think there is a difference between streetcars and trolley buses. See: "A trolley bus uses two overhead wires to draw power with two trolley poles, while a streetcar (or tram) only needs one overhead wire as it uses the rails as the return path, meaning it only needs one trolley pole to collect electricity; essentially, a trolley bus is a bus that runs on rubber tires powered by overhead wires, while a streetcar runs on rails and is also powered by overhead wires but only needs one wire due to the track acting as the return path." As long as the streetcar is on the tracks, it is grounded.

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

I think there is a difference between streetcars and trolley buses. See: "A trolley bus uses two overhead wires to draw power with two trolley poles, while a streetcar (or tram) only needs one overhead wire as it uses the rails as the return path, meaning it only needs one trolley pole to collect electricity; essentially, a trolley bus is a bus that runs on rubber tires powered by overhead wires, while a streetcar runs on rails and is also powered by overhead wires but only needs one wire due to the track acting as the return path." As long as the streetcar is on the tracks, it is grounded.

I looked it up and apparently trolley poles in general are either wood or metal. The pole itself doesn't conduct electricity it's the shoe or trolly that makes contact with the wire. The shoe has a pice of carbon in it that is used to conduct the power down a wire on the trolly pole. From what I found other than trolly buses having two poles there isn't any difference between the two types of poles.

 

[smallspy]

I think there is a difference between streetcars and trolley buses. See: "A trolley bus uses two overhead wires to draw power with two trolley poles, while a streetcar (or tram) only needs one overhead wire as it uses the rails as the return path, meaning it only needs one trolley pole to collect electricity; essentially, a trolley bus is a bus that runs on rubber tires powered by overhead wires, while a streetcar runs on rails and is also powered by overhead wires but only needs one wire due to the track acting as the return path." As long as the streetcar is on the tracks, it is grounded.

Absolutely correct.

I looked it up and apparently trolley poles in general are either wood or metal. The pole itself doesn't conduct electricity it's the shoe or trolly that makes contact with the wire. The shoe has a pice of carbon in it that is used to conduct the power down a wire on the trolly pole. From what I found other than trolly buses having two poles there isn't any difference between the two types of poles.

On a streetcar the pole itself does absolutely conduct power - it is the base that is insulated. That's why in an emergency they can hold the pole up against the wire instead of just the shoe. It's not ideal, but it can get a car off of an insulator if it becomes stuck.

There is a substantial difference between the poles of streetcars and buses. The poles for buses must be non-conductive. The ones for streetcars aren't.

Dan

 

[generalcanada]

speaking of catenary and trolley poles....
Thats quite a bit of damage.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

So much incompetence.

AoD

 

[evandyk]

I heard about that in the elevator of my office tower. Talk of the town.

 

[T3G]

Is the situation really that bad in the trucking industry that their only requirements are that the person has to have a pulse? This is getting really out of hand. When is someone going to come down on these troglodytes for continuously hiring people that put the general public in danger?

 

[AHK]

The King Spadina OCS damage is really extensive - so much so that, from comments on site, the damaged components are unrepairable - they must be cut down completely, and then rebuilt from scratch. It will take days, not hours.

The final photo does not show any damage, it was the sign in the passenger side front widow of the truck - just very appropriate under the circumstances:

A sign for the intersection:

 

[jje1000]

Is the situation really that bad in the trucking industry that their only requirements are that the person has to have a pulse? This is getting really out of hand. When is someone going to come down on these troglodytes for continuously hiring people that put the general public in danger?

I mean, between this and the general rise of accidents across the trucking industry in Ontario, I would imagine that part of this also relies on cracking down on the pay-for-licenses in the trucking industry as well as the immigration scheme-driven emergence of underqualified truck drivers from certain parts of the world.