nfitz
Superstar
Gosh, would would a stationless 4.5 km track along Sheppard from the end of the existing Line 4 stub-track to Wilson yard cost? I'd think that wouldn't be $3 billion!
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reinventingthewheel
Active Member
It may or may not be cheaper but trains would still need to deadhead 15km to load service from that Yonge end of the line.
nfitz
Superstar
What's the average deadhead now? It's not like they just feed them in service from one end - or else service northbound at Yorkdale would start more than hour after it started southbound at Wilson.
micheal_can
Senior Member
Once this line opens, will there be any desire to extend it further north? For example, i have been hearing a desire to extend this from Finch for well over 30 years.
Amare
Senior Member
Yes.
One of King City, Aurora, or Newmarket will start crying for a subway next i'm sure.
micheal_can
Senior Member
Not sure if you are joking or not, but could a surface LRT work for anything north of Langstaff? Yes,I know it will create a forced transfer.
Amare
Senior Member
No it's unnecessary.
Tell York Region to improve their transit service first, before we start funneling billions more.
north-of-anything
Active Member
Any evidence for this claim, or just presumed suburban entitlement that somehow doesn't apply to Mississauga/Brampton/Pickering?
Amare
Senior Member
I see I opened up a can of worms.
There's no evidence of the claim, nor will there be evidence until this subway extension is complete.
Voila, c'est fini.
micheal_can
Senior Member
Extending line east and west may make sense. I am just wondering whether this extension is seen as not going far enough to the people that will use it, or would want to use it.
micheal_can
Senior Member
Ca c'est bon.
reinventingthewheel
Active Member
Trains are fed into service at multiple points.
You need only look at the Line 1 schedule to see service starts from VMC, Finch, and Wilson northbound + southbound. It is already inefficient deadheading to Finch, even worse with the start of the line extended beyond Finch.
Yes, as a result service at Yorkdale northbound does start significantly later than Wilson southbound.
Upon further thought, I’m not sure where the cost of the new yard comes from. The only way I can make sense of it is if this $3B+ figure also assumes the cost of the YNSE tunnel to the yard.
nfitz
Superstar
So what's the average deadhead?
I have a hard time believing it's over an hour! Half-an-hour maybe.
reinventingthewheel
Active Member
I can’t produce a figure for that, too much – there’s lots of room to improve.
Yes about half an hour, the info is out there.
smallspy
Senior Member
This is only partially true.
4 trains are stored at Finch (1 on the platform, 3 in the pocket tracks), and another 11 or so are stored at Davisville. Almost all of those trains start service southbound from Finch (2 of the Davisville trains used to be scheduled to start southbound around 7am to increase service south of there, I don't know if that's still the case).
The rest of the service comes from Wilson Yard, and while quite a few of those trains are scheduled to start not at Finch but at places in both directions along the way as you point out, there are are still a fair number that are required to deadhead all the way to FInch.
Northbound: https://www.ttc.ca/routes-and-schedules/1/0/13837
Southbound: https://www.ttc.ca/routes-and-schedules/1/1/13838
Spoiler: it's a 28 minute difference.
Dan