T3G
Senior Member
Every slanderous comment against the suburbs is necessary.
How is this different from Scarborough Centre? Or, for that matter, North York Centre?
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Aplus23
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So how do we feel about the trend of extending the TTC subway lines into other municipal regions without clearly sufficing the Toronto network with transit lines.
Is that a valid argument or an egotistical selfish one?
Is that a valid argument or an egotistical selfish one?
north-of-anything
Active Member
This was the most logical endpoint for an extension north of Finch, which is necessary to remove the excessive number of buses running along this stretch of Yonge from the suburbs.
The unnecessary pro-suburban decisions are the ones that led to deep tunnelling in the Royal Orchard neighbourhood at the expense of a station in Newtonbrook. Ending the line at the convergence of multiple regional corridors at Yonge, Highway 7, and Highway 407 makes perfect sense to me.
nfitz
Superstar
It most certainly WAS it's name. See the TTC decisions of September 30, 2010 and February 12, 2012. See https://cdn.ttc.ca/-/media/Project/...480827b&hash=224BA45B336E7553AA5B3C76CBF940E3
81-717
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ciceror
Active Member
The line should go to up with a station at 16th/Hillcrest mall and then another station at major mac/downtown Richmond Hill. Then, follow major mac westbound to connect to major mac hospital and then go to the Vaughn City Hall and Library area, then have a station at Cortellucci Hospital, and then a station at wonderland, then down to Vaughn mills and connect back to VMC to complete the loop.
Ideally there would later be entire new lines added within the loop to connect the ends better
Ideally there would later be entire new lines added within the loop to connect the ends better
TJ O'Pootertoot
Senior Member
Read the sequence of my bullets again. I didn't say the STATION was never named Vaughan Centre. I said the GROWTH CENTRE (ie the neighbourhood) was never called Vaughan Centre.
And it wasn't.
The station name was a TTC proposal for a station in a different municipality that didn't accurately describe where it was, based on some outdated policy of theirs.
As I said, literally the only thing it has going for it is eliminating the extra syllables that come with having to say/print "Metropolitan" and since the annoucements now just say "Vaughan," there's even less of a difference between not-saying two words and three.
I think it's kind of childish and unnecessary and an insult to where the vast majority of Canadians live but I do understand it's a hobby for many 'urbanists.'
I thought I made this clear.
North York Centre is called North York Centre.
Vaughan Metropolitan Centre is not called Vaughan Centre. VMC (if I may abridge) is the actual name of the place... what's confusing about that? Doesn't it make sense, if you branded an area as VMC or NYC or SC that you'd want the station named after it, instead of letting some transit bureaucrats trot out some policy from 1955?
Wouldn't it be weird if North York Centre station was called "North York"? Aren't there multiple stations in North York? Doesn't the City of Toronto call that area "North York Centre" in its OP etc?
Also, why are we rehashing all this in 2025??
To circle back on topic, the names on TYSSE and Crosstown were decided very late (VERY VERY late in the case of Science Centre!!) so there is still plenty of time for these to change. If anyone asks my opinion, I'd name the last two stations "Richmond Hill Centre" and "Langstaff Gateway" and I wouldn't be particularly surprised if they were changed (Though hopefully not to "Richmond Centre"! and "Gateway"!) but probably no one will ask me and at the end of the day, I don't think it's worth getting too hot and bothered about.
nfitz
Superstar
While one could interpret what you said that way, can I suggest using less ambiguity next time.
Why do we even care if they called it that, or something like Vaughan Megalopolis Centre? They are silly names. Surely the discussion for the hissy fits of not quite real cities should be in a different thread!
T3G
Senior Member
I've had the misfortune of living in a suburb for 16 years - they are terrible places that are giant temples to the automobile rather than places that offer a well rounded, balanced quality of life, that should never have been built. Sorry if that causes offence, but when a place is bad you are well within your rights to label it as such, instead of piping down in the event that someone who lives there takes offence.
It's not, it's called North York City Centre: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_York_City_Centre
North York City Centre (building) - Wikipedia
Hence, "North York Centre station" is a shortening of the same type that Vaughan Centre would have been.
There is also no Scarborough Centre - there are two places called Scarborough Town Centre and Scarborough City Centre. There is, also, a Canada Centre nearby, but for some reason I get the feeling that that doesn't quite fit the bill...
Ironic that a non-place like VMC gets the whole lofty station name treatment, while a genuine destination for many people like Toronto Metropolitan University gets a shabby acronym! We have our priorities completely backwards. Vaughan Centre (or Highway 7), would have been just fine.
81-717
Active Member
Right, because cars are nonexistent downtown and in streetcar suburbs. Oh wait, there's plenty of them to go around, but with no garages to store them they just take up half the width of every street instead. Wow, so much better than the "car-dependent" suburbs. The YNSE is one step towards making them less car-dependent (does Yonge North still even fit the narrative of what constitutes "car-dependent suburban sprawl"?).
On the plus side, the YNSE being delayed until 2035 means it hopefully won't be necessary to divert any of the first batch of 55 replacement trains towards service expansion on the YNSE, allowing line 2 replacement to be completed before 2035, and the additional batch of 25 (intended for YNSE) already coming in by the time YNSE opens.
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TJ O'Pootertoot
Senior Member
Oh. Well, I didn't realize you lived in "a suburb," so I guess that means there is no data or anecdotal evidence I could possibly bring to bear that could disprove the entirety of suburbia (however you have personally defined it) is a terrible place. I throw up my hands, bend the knee and seek forgiveness. I mean, 16 whole years???
Seriously - it doesn't offend me. It just strikes me as reductionist and self-centred. The same goes for anyone who says living in rural areas is only for rubes and living downtown is only for hipster millenials. It reflects your experience and it's an opinion but let's not mistake it for objective reality.
It's not, it's called North York City Centre: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_York_City_Centre
North York City Centre (building) - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
If it is, why is the Secondary Plan called the "North York Centre Secondary Plan?"
How can my ACTUAL LINK from the City of Toronto compete with Wikipedia???
Instead of being sarcastic/ironic, let me simply state that you are objectively wrong here.
Nope.
QED.
Geeze, Louise. Scarborough Town Centre is a mall. Once again, the City of Toronto is your friend here.
The area to which you are referring is officialy, empirically and indisputably called "Scarborough Centre" by the City of Toronto.
Scarborough Centre Review - Our Scarborough Centre
Open houses were held on April 7 and 10, 2025 on the draft Secondary Plan. The panels presented at the Open Houses can be found under the Meetings & Events tab. City Planning staff invite comments on the draft Secondary Plan policies until May 2, 2025. The City of Toronto is undertaking a...
www.toronto.ca
Yes, Dorothy - there is a Scarboorugh Centre. And a North York Centre (and all the other places I mentioned).
How did we even get off on these tangents? I dunno - something to do with the names of the final two stations on YNSE?
If that's the case, just so we're all on the same page here, "High Tech" is located in "Richmond Hill Centre," according to the City of Richmond Hill and "Bridge" is located in Markham's "Langstaff Gateway."
That's why I suggested those names, consistent with North York Centre, Scarborough Centre and Vaughan Metropolitan Centre, as per the map above.
I can't tell if you're joking at this point or if we're seriously getting up in arms about Vaughan getting "The whole lofty station name treatment." Like, Yonge-Bloor has a pathetic two-syllable name when it really should be something like "Hugely Important Downtown Interchange Centre of the Universe Station"? It's unfair VMC ges so many syllables when Toronto stations don't?
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Let’s get back on topic please
micheal_can
Senior Member
If an area is built up enough and does not need to cross vast empty land, it makes sense. How we define built up enough will be a whole other discussion. This extension makes sense to me. It goes to a place that could be easily made into a major terminal, more so than it already is. Maybe a work around your hang up would be to ask what would happen with a line like this if the GTA was all one mega city or had only one major transit authority, would this extension make sense this far,or even further?
APTA-2048
Senior Member
Is York Region or the Province gonna chip in for operations and maintenance? Toronto on its own can barely keep the existing subway system from falling apart.
TOtramz
Active Member
Not sure on the details but it is highly likely that MX will own and pay the contractors to maintain the extension