TheHonestMaple
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something like 7% of our population is on temp student permits, and they are allowed to work. Completely reckless behaviour by our government. It's shocking.
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Civdis
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Not Gonna lie, the old man cleans up pretty well with a coat of paint!
ScreamingViking
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Population/market size is going to continue to dictate where a lot of shows happen despite these renovations. We'll see more, but I think a trip to Toronto will be necessary in many cases.
I also expect this arena to be marketed as a "Toronto" venue for many concerts. That'll stick in many a craw in Hamilton, but it's probably something we'll have to live with.
narduch
Senior Member
Doesn't the lacrosse team that plays in this stadium say they are from 'Toronto'?
BCTed
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Yes, Toronto is a much larger city with many more facilities that can accommodate mid- to large-sized concerts, so of course many more shows from many more artists will happen there. But that does not mean that Hamilton won't get its fair share of shows. All indications are that it will.
I think most shows (but not all) will be billed as "Hamilton" rather than "Toronto", as they have been to this point. McCartney and Bocelli both seem to be billed as Hamilton --- McCartney mentioned in a promo video that he was heading to Montreal and to Hamilton. What bothers me more is that OVG has repeatedly marketed this as a "GTA" facility rather than at least calling it GTHA. And Leiweke has repeatedly likened Hamilton to being a suburb of Toronto.
berklon
Active Member
How so? So far the concerts announced for the upgraded arena are still shown as "Hamilton".
It's not the same as having contradicting team names because the name doesn't have to be specific. But when mentioning where a concert is being performed, you have to be specific because people need to know where it is.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
yes, suburban music venues are common in the US and usually advertise their location as the actual municipality. Hershey, PA for example is a common concert venue on major tours but in reality is a small town which serves the wider SE PA market - Harrisburg, Reading, York, even Philidelphia.
ScreamingViking
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No it does not. I do think we'll see more concerts, but people are going to have to go to Toronto for some things.
I think many people are just more used to "GTA" than "GTHA" (which seems like more of a provincial government acronym... it used to be an awkward "GTAH" at first)
ScreamingViking
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Maybe I'm wrong. But I don't think it needs to be specific -- when people buy tickets, they'll get an exact location. Before smartphones the need to know city may have been greater, because you couldn't just enter an address get directions... some now seem to live by the directions their phones give them (I personally find them annoying, especially the Apple apps, but I tend to know where I'm going)
BCTed
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Hamilton is part of the GTHA, but not the GTA.
Yorken Bay
New Member
I call it the GHTA.
ScreamingViking
New Member
Yes, and many of us know that because we tend to be more aware of such things, participating on an urban forum focused on this region. The average person in Canada may not, or they may just see the entire area as "Toronto"... I find that over time, Hamilton is becoming viewed more and more as just another Toronto suburb. To me it is not, but I'm from Hamilton and understand how things have evolved.
I have a friend who used to say things like "Why don't you come into the city this weekend", and this was back in the 1990s when Toronto was much smaller. She is from Muskoka but had lived in Etobicoke for a long time, and couldn't understand why I found that funny. The only time I know of that she came to this city was in the mid-1990s to see a concert when the arena was still called Copps Coliseum, and the way she described that was like visiting a different world. Had no idea there was an actual downtown, or anything really, beyond the QEW and Skyway Bridge.
There are some who do have knowledge about demographics and urban development history don't understand why Hamilton is still a CMA and not clumped into the Toronto blob, even though "CMA" is basically just a statistical designation. Over time, I fear that the "Greater Golden Horseshoe" will just become synonymous with Toronto.
BCTed
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The "The city" thing drives me up the wall.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
Hamilton is basically the only 905 municipality with it's own true unique downtown. In any other part of the 905 if you say "I went downtown" - most people would infer that you went to Downtown Toronto. Places as far as Barrie and Bowmanville are like that.
That in itself makes it unique, and something a lot of people in the rest of the 905 don't understand about Hamilton.
Hamilton is also not a huge regional draw outside of Hamilton right now which leads to relatively limited awareness.. I suspect this arena will help with that though.
Personally I consider Hamilton to be "GTA-ish". Definitely part of the wider amalgamation with strong ties to Toronto and the rest of the 905, many people working in the GTA, doing errands and having friends in the GTA, but at the same time kind of its own thing with its own energy - its own sports teams, etc
That in itself makes it unique, and something a lot of people in the rest of the 905 don't understand about Hamilton.
Hamilton is also not a huge regional draw outside of Hamilton right now which leads to relatively limited awareness.. I suspect this arena will help with that though.
Personally I consider Hamilton to be "GTA-ish". Definitely part of the wider amalgamation with strong ties to Toronto and the rest of the 905, many people working in the GTA, doing errands and having friends in the GTA, but at the same time kind of its own thing with its own energy - its own sports teams, etc
TheHonestMaple
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As long as that awareness is not the awareness of the shelter across the street...