LUVIT!
Senior Member
I know what a bunch of bitter whining beeatches! Aren't there bigger things to worry about these days. I thought the poster was kind of cute. In addition I look very much forward to visiting the north market. thank you very much
zang
Senior Member
It’s definitely not AI.
There are hints of a more organic, colour-blocked, modernist style here, but it’s just so poorly executed, and the lines of perspective are way off.
AI can also make terrible garbage, but one thing it doesn’t do is cut and paste. As I said before, one side is a duplicate of the other (including the vertical shutters on the left side off the building now facing the interior). AI would be working from an image and wouldn’t know to do that. Nor would it copy and paste the shutter panels three times on the side, with some very slight alteration. They would also be wrong, but be distinct.
This reads like a five-minute mock-up done strictly to demonstrate style that was never honed into a final product. This was a human artist who didn’t care, or wasn’t allowed to care.
CityRider
New Member
Apologies, was getting off topic complaining about AI, or what looks like it, since this is entirely a side-issue (terrible design) vs being happy the north market is open (which I am). Not outraged in the slightest - I think you're lumping me in here with people who are mad about the use of folding tables and the lack of public artwork in the building. I was the one explaining the nature of the temporary farmer's market vs the permanent market a few pages back!
Northern Light
Superstar
@AlexBozikovic is out in the Globe with his take on the new building here.
www.theglobeandmail.com
In the column he affords the building some praise, for its better features, and for being a marked step up on its immediate predecessor.
But he likewise laments how much better the original new design was.......
"But the architecture – and equally the way the building works – have been diluted. It became a floor shorter; the roof was simplified to three half-cylinders; the exterior lattice of columns and fins was reduced to some panels of orange aluminum stuck onto glass walls. The materials are mostly cheap. Concrete columns are ringed with raw steel barriers. The front door is an aluminum number that belongs on a Costco."
I think Alex is on point throughout, though from an editorial point of view, I think it would have been nice for many readers not as familiar w/the project to have shown the original render, and perhaps an illustration of the various VE'ing exercises.
If its not a death, then its a serious wound from a thousand....errr.... a dozen cuts.
No fault to Alex for that not being there, I just think it would be great to show people how one VE choice might have been tolerable.........two was harder to take......and then get the cumulative impact of those different choices adding up.
I think one thing many here have rightly harped about was not a VE move per se, but the removing of colour from the exterior vents. An action, which despite @DSCToronto 's great efforts defies logical explanation.
Alex is also right to take issue with management of the Front Street ROW, in between the north and south markets. Its something I have some hope will be addressed, but at best, this will come late (after the opening here, obviously),
I also concur with his take that it would be nice to hold at least one person (maybe more) accountable for all the delays, overruns, and questionable choices here.
Toronto’s St. Lawrence Market celebrates grand opening, but the redevelopment has its flaws
Questions remains as to how the landmark project is 11 years late and over budget
www.theglobeandmail.com
In the column he affords the building some praise, for its better features, and for being a marked step up on its immediate predecessor.
But he likewise laments how much better the original new design was.......
"But the architecture – and equally the way the building works – have been diluted. It became a floor shorter; the roof was simplified to three half-cylinders; the exterior lattice of columns and fins was reduced to some panels of orange aluminum stuck onto glass walls. The materials are mostly cheap. Concrete columns are ringed with raw steel barriers. The front door is an aluminum number that belongs on a Costco."
I think Alex is on point throughout, though from an editorial point of view, I think it would have been nice for many readers not as familiar w/the project to have shown the original render, and perhaps an illustration of the various VE'ing exercises.
If its not a death, then its a serious wound from a thousand....errr.... a dozen cuts.
No fault to Alex for that not being there, I just think it would be great to show people how one VE choice might have been tolerable.........two was harder to take......and then get the cumulative impact of those different choices adding up.
I think one thing many here have rightly harped about was not a VE move per se, but the removing of colour from the exterior vents. An action, which despite @DSCToronto 's great efforts defies logical explanation.
Alex is also right to take issue with management of the Front Street ROW, in between the north and south markets. Its something I have some hope will be addressed, but at best, this will come late (after the opening here, obviously),
I also concur with his take that it would be nice to hold at least one person (maybe more) accountable for all the delays, overruns, and questionable choices here.
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DSCToronto
Superstar
There are, I am told, ongoing discussions between the City and the local BIA about improvements to Front Street between Market & Jarvis. If (when?) they happen it will be done at same time the City works on Market Lane Park - where work is now apparently not starting until 'fall'. ( I guess PFR did not hear that the Market was opening in March!)@AlexBozikovic is out in the Globe with his take on the new building here.
Toronto’s St. Lawrence Market celebrates grand opening, but the redevelopment has its flaws
Questions remains as to how the landmark project is 11 years late and over budget
In the column he affords the building some praise, for its better features, and for being a marked step up on its immediate predecessor.
But he likewise laments how much better the original new design was.......
"But the architecture – and equally the way the building works – have been diluted. It became a floor shorter; the roof was simplified to three half-cylinders; the exterior lattice of columns and fins was reduced to some panels of orange aluminum stuck onto glass walls. The materials are mostly cheap. Concrete columns are ringed with raw steel barriers. The front door is an aluminum number that belongs on a Costco."
I think Alex is on point throughout, though from an editorial point of view, I think it would have been nice for many readers not as familiar w/the project to have shown the original render, and perhaps an illustration of the various VE'ing exercises.
If it's not a death, then it's a serious wound from a thousand....errr.... a dozen cuts.
No fault to Alex for that not being there, I just think it would be great to show people how many one VE choice might have been tolerable.........two was harder to take......and then get the cumulative impact of those different choices adding up.
I think one thing many here have rightly harped about was not a VE move per se, but the removing of colour from the exterior vents. An action, which despite @DSCToronto 's great efforts defies logical explanation.
Alex is also right to take issue with management of the Front Street ROW, in between the north and south markets. It's something I have some hope will be addressed, but at best, this will come late (after the opening here, obviously),
I also concur with his take that it would be nice to hold at least one person (maybe more) accountable for all the delays, overruns, and questionable choices here.
DSCToronto
Superstar
The PARTY is ON
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evandyk
Senior Member
The main improvement it needs is no cars on Front St on Saturdays.
rdaner
Senior Member
christiesplits
Senior Member
@AlexBozikovic is out in the Globe with his take on the new building here.
Toronto’s St. Lawrence Market celebrates grand opening, but the redevelopment has its flaws
Questions remains as to how the landmark project is 11 years late and over budget
In the column he affords the building some praise, for its better features, and for being a marked step up on its immediate predecessor.
Great review by Alex. I think he's bang on about the budget and delays, as well as the need for better public space surrounding the market.
A silver lining of the value engineering is that it elevates its civic neighbours to the north and south, profiled nicely via the glass walls on both sides of the building.
One question: Had the underground parking garbage not been built, wouldn't an underground component to the complex still need to be built for the loading docks?
jje1000
Senior Member
Northern Light
Superstar
Don't think I agree.
I get the appeal; but it covers the full front facade of both buildings. I think that would detract from the architectural effort here. (both new and heritage)
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
The old canopy is awkward even then - and one can only imagine how it looks from underneath (probably not nice). If you must insist on a canopy - I'd say RPBI and others have a history of designing far less instrusive and overbearing structures that would accentuate the architecture.
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evandyk
Senior Member
Canopy is not necessary. Just close Front to cars on market days!
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
What they truly should have done is think bigger in the program and have a comprehensive plan for the North market. the market proper and the South market site - and have a sort of central circulation/service spine in the basement level that would enabled shared services. But of course, this city...
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evandyk
Senior Member
I don't think a tunnel would bring much benefit either. People can just walk outside, even if it's cold or rainy! Just let them do it without having to play frogger.