Good observation by @AlexBozikovic via Bluesky.

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christiesplits said:
Good observation by @AlexBozikovic via Bluesky.

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So true. The parkade is so large that it's not pictured anywhere in its entirety. It's absolutely massive and it'll overshadow the waterfront.

If we had a leader as Mayor, they'd instantly get on the phone with Doug and insist that they do a 1:1 land swap. Move the parkade to the north side of Lake Shore. It would be closer to Therme, to the Ontario Line subway station and to BMO Field and would free up space for extending Coronation Park by the water.

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We don't need a giant parking lot that is converted to a fair 18 days per year. Princes' Blvd and the pavilions are sufficient to host the CNE. Rides can be assembled in the remaining parking lots and in the new park by the water. During the CNE, the ground floor of the parkade can be used for carney trailers, which is what that space is usually used for.

There's also plenty of room to expand the BMO Field stands for the World Cup.
 
Just watching the announcement a few minutes ago, I'm left skeptical and unimpressed by this plan, which is what I expected more or less.
The idea that this hulking mass of a parking garage is to be seamlessly integrated into the lakeshore landscape by the use of a bloody berm of all things goes to show the lengths one much stretch this whole vision of a "world class destination".

This thing is going to be one big eyesore. And theres still lots we don't know. With regards to previous comments, I think the mainland beach is just getting a Sugar Beach treatment in part due to the way the areas being structured, and in part due to the height of the land relative to the lake msking this is a bit too difficult for a beach, especially given water currents and the lack of much of a sand bar by the shore line here (AFAIK)

I suppose then, the two beaches on the West Island will be true beaches, as in, water accessible.
 
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So true. The parkade is so large that it's not pictured anywhere in its entirety. It's absolutely massive and it'll overshadow the waterfront.

If we had a leader as Mayor, they'd instantly get on the phone with Doug and insist that they do a 1:1 land swap. Move the parkade to the north side of Lake Shore. It would be closer to Therme, to the Ontario Line subway station and to BMO Field and would free up space for extending Coronation Park by the water.

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We don't need a giant parking lot that is converted to a fair 18 days per year. Princes' Blvd and the pavilions are sufficient to host the CNE. Rides can be assembled in the remaining parking lots and in the new park by the water. During the CNE, the ground floor of the parkade can be used for carney trailers, which is what that space is usually used for.

There's also plenty of room to expand the BMO Field stands for the World Cup.
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Would another option be to build 3 smaller parking structures? Like build one in each of these areas, and have a level of the Science Centre be a parking structure like originally planned and just spread them out so they are smaller? And are less visually obtrusive than one massive one.
 
I don't mind the park and Therme stuff as at least it's accesible for everyone to walk around, but this parking garage when across the road there are hundreds of spaces that go unused most days. UGH, remember there's also a big lot under the Exhibition centre and others on the north side nearer Dufferin. As if the Lakeshore and Gardiner can handle any additional traffic. This garage reminds me of Woodbine's Casino plan.
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nightstreak said:
So true. The parkade is so large that it's not pictured anywhere in its entirety. It's absolutely massive and it'll overshadow the waterfront.

If we had a leader as Mayor, they'd instantly get on the phone with Doug and insist that they do a 1:1 land swap. Move the parkade to the north side of Lake Shore. It would be closer to Therme, to the Ontario Line subway station and to BMO Field and would free up space for extending Coronation Park by the water.

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We don't need a giant parking lot that is converted to a fair 18 days per year. Princes' Blvd and the pavilions are sufficient to host the CNE. Rides can be assembled in the remaining parking lots and in the new park by the water. During the CNE, the ground floor of the parkade can be used for carney trailers, which is what that space is usually used for.

There's also plenty of room to expand the BMO Field stands for the World Cup.
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And they could build a grandstand into structure for the Indy and perhaps get a Grand Prix race out of the deal. Now that would be bang for the buck.
 
Another redesign? It seems as though they're not taking this seriously, almost like to them it's just a game of coming up with new computer images for something they know they're not really going to build.
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Ontario Place designs released by Therme

Therme Canada unveils the latest designs for its new waterpark and spa, as well as public space on the West Island of Ontario Place.
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SubHuman said:
Another redesign? It seems as though they're not taking this seriously, almost like to them it's just a game of coming up with new computer images for something they know they're not really going to build.
www.cp24.com

Ontario Place designs released by Therme

Therme Canada unveils the latest designs for its new waterpark and spa, as well as public space on the West Island of Ontario Place.
www.cp24.com www.cp24.com
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Not sure what you mean by "another redesign" when upon release of their previous design months ago they were specifically asked to descope the size of the of the spa by the city of toronto and to increase public space of therme side of the land.

I also see some detailed drawing by the eng. Firm of the project and they plan to break ground next year, so while value engineering is certainly still possible I think you're being a bit to pessimistic that we're aren't seeing the real plans.
 
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Wacky prediction!:Thermal Spa closes before the Science Center opens and they re-purpose it for the new Science Center! (...then, when the next Tory government gets elected they close it too).
But seriously, I'll be really surprised *IF* the spa opens, that it'll be successful. I've been to a few big ones in Europe, and I'd love to see more of a spa culture here (even if it just changes what the publics definition of 'spa' is here), but something on this scale and location? I hope I'm wrong, but I can't see it lasting 10 years.
 
- seems like they scaled back the lake infil by a big chunk?

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the sandy beach is back instead of the rocky beach that was asked for in community consultation
 
Putting aside whether or not you consider this a luxury spa or a family water park, or whether or not it should be there in the first place, two things strike me:

1) they are estimating 15000 visitors per day - Canada’s Wonderland is like 25000 visitors per day, with 15X the size. Can you imagine how crowed and busy that will be? The experience will be miserable.

2) The “park space” is clearly primarily situated on the roof - does this imply primarily concrete walkways with planters of trees? Or will this truly be a green roof with lawn and dirt under your feet?
 
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