A 6264 said:
I presume you were asking me, but like I said, I don't live out that way anymore. In the 1970s I used the streetcar to get to downtown shopping (Eatons, Simpsons, Sam the Record Man), and to attend what was then called Ryerson Polytechnical Institute. There are 2 reasons using the streetcar was good then, but would not be now: the trip took just an hour, but I'm sure it would be a lot longer today, because the streets are more crowded; and the other option would have been to take 2 routes to get from my home to the subway, which made that option a longer trip, but now the road systems and transit in the suburbs have expanded and improved, so I would be using the subway instead today.
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FWIW I live not far from Humber Loop and have always used the 501 to get into downtown, simply as a more charming route above ground than the subway, albeit not as quick. That changed when COVID hit, and the enforcement of homeless/inebriated passengers really took a nosedive (501 was always edgy, but not intolerable, until these last few years. It is improving again, up to its previous low bar but not really beyond).
I use it some of the time now, but reliability is lower than ever and the subway is less crowded than previously. The streetscape is cool but definitely more edgy than before COVID - there are other streetcar streets that are similar. Covid really did a number of streetfront businesses, many new ones have emerged but there are more vacant stores than in the past.
With or without Park Lawn GO, there is ample reason for better TTC level connectivity eastwards from Humber Bay, especially if Exhibition is intended to be a gateway to the subway network and beyond. The Queensway right of way is not utilised to its fullest - the poster child for what I fear Line 5 will become when it opens. There is so much room to do better out this way.

- Paul
 
torontowest91 said:
I also feel like the LRT should go from the humber loop - down queensway to sherway gardens.
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That's another issue I remember! The shopping centre at Sherway Gardens was to Etobicoke, what Scarborough Town Centre was to Scarborough. When the subway line was extended to Kipling in 1980, we wondered why they didn't extend it a little further, just 1 stop, to Sherway Gardens, as the route could be almost entirely above ground along an existing railway corridor, as it already is, east of Kipling, and could have been thrown into the extention project at minimal cost.. I've always presumed the subway would get extended to Sherway some day, but it never did.
 
A 6264 said:
That's another issue I remember! The shopping centre at Sherway Gardens was to Etobicoke, what Scarborough Town Centre was to Scarborough. When the subway line was extended to Kipling in 1980, we wondered why they didn't extend it a little further, just 1 stop, to Sherway Gardens, as the route could be almost entirely above ground along an existing railway corridor, as it already is, east of Kipling, and could have been thrown into the extention project at minimal cost.. I've always presumed the subway would get extended to Sherway some day, but it never did.
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I remember that, we used to take the Mall Circle 87 from Eringate directly to both Sherway and Long Branch.
 
A 6264 said:
That's another issue I remember! The shopping centre at Sherway Gardens was to Etobicoke, what Scarborough Town Centre was to Scarborough. When the subway line was extended to Kipling in 1980, we wondered why they didn't extend it a little further, just 1 stop, to Sherway Gardens, as the route could be almost entirely above ground along an existing railway corridor, as it already is, east of Kipling, and could have been thrown into the extention project at minimal cost.. I've always presumed the subway would get extended to Sherway some day, but it never did.
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That would have made too much sense!
 
A 6264 said:
When it was proposed that the 2 lines merge, people said it won't work, the line will be too long. But when the TTC actually tried it, it worked just fine. The problem of "maintaining even headway" was resolved by, well, making short turns where necessary, without taking a key connecting section out of service for 2 hours during rush hour. Now you're saying a continuous Long Branch to Neville route won't work, because it's too long. Same old unjustified assertion, and certainly not made by someone who actually has a reason to travel frequently from one end to the other, or at least from one end to downtown.
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I am not in favor of splitting the service at Humber.

IMHO, the most logical configuration is two overlapping services. One from Long Branch to downtown, for example the Victoria loop. The other from Humber to the east end. Riders from Etobicoke would have a one-seat ride to downtown, and would only have to transfer if they want to continue east of Yonge.

That said, I don't have a strong opinion on the best service model. If the regular riders feel that a single route running the whole length is the best option, I am not the one to object.
 
Monarch Butterfly said:
"When the Bloor-Danforth subway (today's Line 2) opened in February 1966, the TTC did reduce service on the streetcar lines that fed into it, including the King and Dundas routes, as part of a plan to encourage passengers to use the new subway. However, this reduction was short-lived, as ridership on the streetcars didn't decrease as expected. The TTC quickly reversed the cuts and had to increase streetcar service to nearly pre-subway levels to meet demand"
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We often have to make changes based on certain assumptions. Sometimes, those assumptions turn out to be wrong, and we have to reverse the changes.

That's not a reason to never risk making any change :)

OL East will be in a more direct competition with the King East streetcar, than the Bloor-Danforth subway was.

To be clear, I don't want to remove the King East streetcar when OL opens. Just reschedule the streetcar service in such a way that King West gets a higher frequency than King East.
 
Lake Shore East Corridor update:
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Eastern Bridge/East Harbour Transit Hub:
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Queen East bridge:
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Pape (looking North)
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Looking South/West
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416InTrouble said:
Is there an overpass that will allow the future Broadview S extension to run under the elevated tracks? Not sure I see that anywhere? (Or did they forget m? lol)
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The initial stage of construction - the one the trains are running on now - is temporary, and will still need to be rebuilt in a future stage.

They are currently working on building the underpass, which is approximately half-way between the new bridge over Eastern and the old bridge over the Don River/DVP. But because it will also be used as a concourse for the station, it is quite a large and elaborate structure.

Dan
 
smallspy said:
The initial stage of construction - the one the trains are running on now - is temporary, and will still need to be rebuilt in a future stage.

They are currently working on building the underpass, which is approximately half-way between the new bridge over Eastern and the old bridge over the Don River/DVP. But because it will also be used as a concourse for the station, it is quite a large and elaborate structure.

Dan
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Ok cool. I hope they’ve factored for it at this stage because it’s difficult to see from the photos whether there is an opening there. I hope there is and glad to hear there is!
 
^ The interesting thing for me in those photos is that the big auger machines that bore the pilings have largely disappeared, and now there are lots of cranes moving formwork. That's a sign of progress. (I wonder what the total number of pilings that were bored for this project will be... it will be substantial.)

If you imagine where the GO platforms will be in the aerials of East Harbour.... it's apparent that lots more forming and concrete work will be needed before the tracks can be shifted to their final alignment. To me, that says there is little hope for bringing the third track back in service until much later in the construction. Possibly the two missing tracks and their platform will be built first, and used as the running tracks while the existing tracks are removed from service and realigned and a second platform built.

- Paul
 
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