Geez Why are people here getting so worked up by a colour on a concept RENDER.... we are years away from a final decision on the colour so you foamers got plenty of time to submit your letters to ML for colour selection 😒

This is honestly a waste of forum bandwith
That's what people said when they first saw the Metrolinx LRVs. It can't be grey. It's just a temporary livery till they finalized a better one and pick a colour. It is worse than the lime green shown in the early renderings.

Almost a decade later. What can we conclude. They made it worse than the rendering.
 
That's what people said when they first saw the Metrolinx LRVs. It can't be grey. It's just a temporary livery till they finalized a better one and pick a colour. It is worse than the lime green shown in the early renderings.

Almost a decade later. What can we conclude. They made it worse than the rendering.
The worst part about that whole ordeal was their reasoning for it, saying it would make them more like a subway and that giving them colour might make people think its a streetcar. That's the part where you would say "are you serious" only the be shell shocked by how serious they are. These are the people we put in charge of the regions transit expansion, and the recent debacle with GO RER shows they have a unique way of thinking. I wouldn't be surprised if the Hitatchi Trains for the Ontario Line loose their blue accents to be more like the TTC Subway cars... It would be really funny if the TTC keeps the red accents for the T1 replacement trains just to make this argument look even more stupid. If they had just said something like "painting trains is expensive" I would hate it because that's a typical Toronto thing, but I would understand. The actual reason however is mind blowing. Alas this is a bit off topic for this thread.
 
Moscow also has 2 greens (lines 2 & 10) and 2 blues (3 & 4), but they are quite distinctly different (the 2 matches ours and the 4 matches the SRT):
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Moscow's language distinguishes between navy blue and sky blue with two equally common words, in a way that our language doesn't.

No excuse for Moscow duplicating the greens, though. 😆
 
Moscow's language distinguishes between navy blue and sky blue with two equally common words, in a way that our language doesn't.

No excuse for Moscow duplicating the greens, though. 😆
The fact that the language uses 2 completely different words to describe 2 similar colors has nothing to do with how objectively similar or dissimilar said colors are. Sky blue is to navy blue almost exactly as the bright green is to the dark green, so your argument should also apply had we used a completely different name for bright green (which we do, sometimes, i.e. "electric lime"). In spoken language the confusion of "which blue line?" is easily addressed by specifying "light/dark blue" (same with green), but looking at a map I don't think most people would confuse the colors or misuse them interchangeably. I, for one, can't imagine using lime green to denote TTC line 2.
 
Geez Why are people here getting so worked up by a colour on a concept RENDER.... we are years away from a final decision on the colour so you foamers got plenty of time to submit your letters to ML for colour selection 😒

This is honestly a waste of forum bandwith
Now, back to complaining about station names.
 
Geez Why are people here getting so worked up by a colour on a concept RENDER.... we are years away from a final decision on the colour so you foamers got plenty of time to submit your letters to ML for colour selection 😒

This is honestly a waste of forum bandwith
I'd take the official TTC future maps (which have the Ontario line as Line 3 in SRT blue) MUCH more seriously than some Metrolinx renders
 
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they havent even gotten a chance to use the bus terminal and they are already closing half of it for construction activities LOL 🤣
 
There is a lot of reading here. A few of take-aways for the intersection of Don Mills and Eglinton:
- OL's raised track will cross Don Mills Road just south of Eglinton (not cutting diagonally across the intersection, nor crossing over further south, near the next station)..
- The big planter with the rock has been declared incompatible with the new station, will be removed, will never return to this location, will be put in storage, with no idea of what to do with it. At least one poster on this forum will be happy.
- Bus stops at the intersection will be moving, and no details of where they are moving to. Considering how messed up construction will be, I wouldn't be surprised if they just get taken away, and we will have to walk a few blocks to the next one.
- Sidewalks will be closed here and there, in some places a temporary sidewalk will cut through a construction area.
It sounds like sidewalks and bus stops will move around every month or so for the next few years. In other words, more of what we've had during Eglinton Crosstown construction for 15 years.

I've remarked before on how big the Ontario Line stations will be, taking up a whole city block, even when there is no bus platform or anything special. Think how downtown subway entrances are often just a small doorway on an existing building, or an open stairway on the street, leading down. Now I see that emergency exits and permanent storage buildings on Pape will be huge, the size of several stores on a street with storefronts. Is this necessary to take up all this real estate? Can't they incorporate it into a small part of another building, - i.e. a store with an emergency exit door on the side? Can't they make storage buildings small, and 'round the back of other buildings, if they will never be used for public access?
 
they havent even gotten a chance to use the bus terminal and they are already closing half of it for construction activities LOL 🤣
I'll bet they close all of it, because the part that isn't shown as closed off, is where the new station will go, so they will definitely close that part too. Customers will get herded past the semi-sheltered bus bays and onto a big open area of concrete. At least it won't be as insane as that temporary big open lot for buses south of Kennedy Station.
 
... Now I see that emergency exits and permanent storage buildings on Pape will be huge, the size of several stores on a street with storefronts. Is this necessary to take up all this real estate? Can't they incorporate it into a small part of another building, - i.e. a store with an emergency exit door on the side? Can't they make storage buildings small, and 'round the back of other buildings, if they will never be used for public access?

Yeah, that's a large structure. Broadway Skytrain extension in Vancouver (all in tunnel) doesn't have structures like that, and it doesn't look like the OL stations are all that far apart. Normally, there are cross passages from one tube to the other tube, then you walk to the nearest station to exit.

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Yeah, that's a large structure. Broadway Skytrain extension in Vancouver (all in tunnel) doesn't have structures like that, and it doesn't look like the OL stations are all that far apart. Normally, there are cross passages from one tube to the other tube, then you walk to the nearest station to exit.
Building codes are provincial. Ontario (and Quebec) certainly have tighter fire standards for subways than Vancouver.

Not that far apart? The Broadway subway spacing average is less then 1 km; 6 stations in 5.7 km. Arbutus to Granville is about a kilometre. Granville to Oak is 860 metres. Oak to Cambie is 860 metres(!). Cambie to Main is about a kilometre. And the rest is mostly outdoors.

Cosburn to Pape is about 1.1 m. Pape to the Gerrard portal is about 1.2 km. Is passenger volume in a train part of the calculation for spacing? The platform length for Vancouver trains is about 80 metres, with a train width of about 2.5 metres. Toronto subway platforms are 150 metres long with a train width of about 3.1 metres wide. So TTC trains can have more than double the passengers than the intermediate-rail trains in Vancouver. Does that need closer spacings?
 
Cosburn to Pape is about 1.1 km
Perfect example of why several of ML's station names are ambiguous & sloppy. When I first read this, my first thought was you were referring to the streets, and was initially confused how Cosburn & Pape could be 1.1 km apart when they literally intersect each other, then realized you were referring to the stations and thought "this confusion wouldn't've happened had the [OL] station been named Danforth or Pape-Danforth".

Speaking of which, is Cosburn station construction the reason Cosburn has been partially blocked off between Pape & Broadview lately? Out of the loop, but isn't the existing McDonalds (the one place where said construction is nonexistent) supposed to be the site of the future station?
 
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Speaking of which, is Cosburn station construction the reason Cosburn has been partially blocked off between Pape & Broadview lately? Out of the loop, but isn't the existing McDonalds (the one place where said construction is nonexistent) supposed to be the site of the future station?
Cosburn station will be on the west side. See the first of 2 links posted above. It's a big document, scroll to near the bottom to see the section on Cosburn.
 

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