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ehlow said:
There's a big difference between streetcar stop spacing and Eglinton LRT stop spacing.

Oakwood is 550m from Allen and 650m and Dufferin. This is subway level stop spacing! For example Bathurst to Spadina stations on the Bloor line are 600m apart.

The streetcar stations are waaaay closer. For example, the stop considered for removal, Victoria street, is only 100m from the next stop at Yonge.

On average many bus and streetcar lines have stop spacing of 200m in many places.
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How long will it take to walk 650 metres (dufferin to Oakwood) ? Well google map shows 8 min.
 
TheTigerMaster said:
Nobody will be walking 650m along Eglinton. It will be at most a 325m (4 min) walk.
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Guess thats why the obesity rates are what they are. Perhaps there would also be an increase in business for retail owners if people actually walked 8 min and went by more shops
 
Palma said:
How long will it take to walk 650 metres (dufferin to Oakwood) ? Well google map shows 8 min.
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Sigh. It's always a battle between people like you who want very long stop spacing (1km? 2km?), and those who complain when you remove a stop even 100m away from the next one. You should hear the people who go to public meetings about Eglinton bus stops that aren't on the LRT.

It's about finding a reasonable balance. Personally I think that in the suburbs speed matters more and 1-2km is fine, because things are simply farther apart and people travel longer distances. In urban and dense locations like Oakland & Eglinton or along the Danforth, 500-600m is fine. For short routes like Spadina even less is OK. You can get a pretty good speed at 600m average stop spacing. As stated before speed is only one factor, with frequency & reliability being other important ones which affect your trip time (how long you have to wait for the vehicle).

8 min to walk along Eglinton from Oakwood to Dufferin, but what if you aren't directly on Eglinton? You could be living 5 min north of Eglinton & Oakwood. If you remove Oakwood, the walk becomes 13 minutes instead of 5 minutes. Now, would you take transit for a quick trip if every trip results in 13 min of walking to the stop and back, meaning 26 min of walking? What about in very cold weather? Suddenly it becomes less convenient. You might only take transit twice a day to get to work, but never do multiple trips because it's such a long walk. Or maybe you'd have to take a bus and give up on walking.

I'm just saying adding 8 min of walking to every transit trip can result in using transit less than you would if you were closer. If you're doing multiple transit trips a day, sometimes walking 8 min there and back for dinner, then 10 min to your destination and back for groceries can add up.
 
There needs to be a balance between speed and accessibility

Speed comes from fewer stops. Accessibility comes from more.

From what I've seen, it looks like the ECLRT has struck the right balance.
 
Also Oakwood station is right in the middle of some of the best jerk chicken places in the whole city. Of course you can't walk 8 minutes after eating all that delicious chicken.
 
ehlow said:
The streetcar stations are waaaay closer. For example, the stop considered for removal, Victoria street, is only 100m from the next stop at Yonge.
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I always thought that was silly. An ALRV is 23m long. Meaning from Victoria to Yonge you've essentially got four streetcar lengths. If you got on the front door at Yonge and sat at the back of the car, you've already walked 1/4 of the way to Victoria.
 
ehlow said:
There's a big difference between streetcar stop spacing and Eglinton LRT stop spacing.

Oakwood is 550m from Allen and 650m and Dufferin. This is subway level stop spacing! For example Bathurst to Spadina stations on the Bloor line are 600m apart.
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Exactly. They're basically the same spacing as Ossington and Christie on the Bloor-Danforth, which doesn't seem to be problematic.
 
The walk between Eglinton West Station and Oakwood takes a good 12 minutes when you count waiting for the pretty long sgnal to cross Allen off-ramps. I should know since I did it for 4 years, and I am a fast walker!

With the Oakwood stop, I'll be able to get Roti quicker. :D
 
Hopkins123 said:
The Crosstown should have more stops, not fewer. There should be a stop at Littles Blvd, for instance.
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You clearly have not felt the frustration of St. Clair. I rreeealllyy hate to give this to Robbie, but it is a disaster if you're looking to use it as a 'rapid transit' option. In the morning, I have two options to go from St. Clair/Keele to St. Clair/Yonge: take the streetcar the whole way, or; a) take the bus south to Keele subway station, b) take the 2 line to Bloor-Yonge, and c) Take the 1 line north to St. Clair. The latter is 4 km longer, but is at least 10 minutes shorter.

We do not need another local-style St. Clair streetcar, we need a rapid LRT as Metrolinx as planned. Adding more stops is just giving fuel to Ford Nation.
 
edmundoconnor said:
Has Metrolinx released renders of what the at-grade stops are going to look like? I've seen plenty on the underground stations, but only layouts of stops such as Ionview, for example (no renders). I think the stop will have some elements similar to a streetcar stop, but it is more going to be a question of a larger scale – it "feeling" like a station, not just a structure in the middle of the road. I have a feeling they are going to be more like the stops on Highway 7 than the ones on Spadina.
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I've been wondering this too. If they're like the C-train stops, they could seem pretty impressive. ticket machines, maybe a heated area, etc.
 
DonValleyRainbow said:
You clearly have not felt the frustration of St. Clair. I rreeealllyy hate to give this to Robbie, but it is a disaster if you're looking to use it as a 'rapid transit' option. In the morning, I have two options to go from St. Clair/Keele to St. Clair/Yonge: take the streetcar the whole way, or; a) take the bus south to Keele subway station, b) take the 2 line to Bloor-Yonge, and c) Take the 1 line north to St. Clair. The latter is 4 km longer, but is at least 10 minutes shorter.

We do not need another local-style St. Clair streetcar, we need a rapid LRT as Metrolinx as planned. Adding more stops is just giving fuel to Ford Nation.
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I agree with you that St Clair is slow for longer distance travel due to close stop spacing as well as closely spaced intersections.

However, it's not like Rob Ford is saying "the stop spacing on St Clair is too close and it's therefore too slow". I doubt he's ever thought about stop spacing in relation to transit speed.

The reason he calls it a "disaster" is because he used to drive up there to go to the newstalk 1010 studios and was frustrated by the slow traffic, and blamed the streetcar.

I personally believe that if you wanted to increase car speeds along St Clair, you should start by banning street parking on the street, that's the main reason it's a slow street for cars.
 
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