[TheTigerMaster]

Actually, the MBTA rapid transit map does make a slight distinction between grade-separated and at-grade LRT: http://www.mbta.com/schedules_and_maps/subway/

If you'll notice, you'll see that the Green Line line weight narrows slightly for at-grade branches, and the station dots are much closer together, with very few of them labelled. All grade-separated stations are labelled though.

This could absolutely work. My concern is that certain people will convince themselves that they're riding "second class" transit if the lines are thinned. I've heard one too many people from Scarborough say this unfortunately. I know the thickness of the lines are an incredibly small issue, but they can have huge effects on how people perceive the transit they're riding.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

LRT from Black Creek to Don Mills is rapid transit. Don Mills to Kennedy isn't. I think the first part can adopt subway like figures on maps, and the latter part can be a dashed line or something similar to distinguish the difference.

This is a classic debate.

As far as I'm concerned, Don Mills to Kennedy is RT. Even if it's very slow RT. I have yet to see the TTC or Metrolinx say otherwise.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Does anybody know if Metrolinx plans on removing stoplights along Eglinton. I strongly feel that stoplights such as Rosemont Drive and Ionview need to be removed. They hardly have any traffic and aren't worth stopping the LRT for.

For pedestrian crossings, I would recommend having crosswalks every 500m or so with lights indicating when it is safe to cross. 500m may be a little far to walk for some.

 

[nfitz]

Actually, the MBTA rapid transit map does make a slight distinction between grade-separated and at-grade LRT: http://www.mbta.com/schedules_and_maps/subway/

That can't be at-grade LRT though, because the legend calls it a subway.

 

[gweed123]

That can't be at-grade LRT though, because the legend calls it a subway.

You may have just started a flame war, hahaha.

And yes Tiger Master, I believe doing the map the MBTA way may be a good way of resolving the issue. Label all grade-separated stops, but on at-grade lines, label only key stops, and place the dots closer together. That way people know that RT is there, but if they want to see absolutely every stop on that at-grade LRT line, look at the entire system map, or an individual line map.

 

[CapitalSeven]

Does anybody know if Metrolinx plans on removing stoplights along Eglinton. I strongly feel that stoplights such as Rosemont Drive and Ionview need to be removed. They hardly have any traffic and aren't worth stopping the LRT for.

One assumes the LRT might stop for the passengers standing on the platforms being built at Ionview.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

One assumes the LRT might stop for the passengers standing on the platforms being built at Ionview.

Ionview was a poor example since there's a station there. Rosemount is a better example. It is a fairly low traffic intersection. I think it's unreasonable to have LRTs stop for traffic there, even with signal priority.

 

[M II A II R II K]

They could put only the off the road routes on the map and not have the rest on there.

 

[BurlOak]

Does anybody know if Metrolinx plans on removing stoplights along Eglinton. I strongly feel that stoplights such as Rosemont Drive and Ionview need to be removed. They hardly have any traffic and aren't worth stopping the LRT for.

For pedestrian crossings, I would recommend having crosswalks every 500m or so with lights indicating when it is safe to cross. 500m may be a little far to walk for some.

This was recently on thecrosstown.ca website. I recall that there were 15 vehicle-LRT crossings in the 5.3 km between (east of) Don Mills to (east of) Ionview. I am not sure, but I think all of them had traffic lights.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

This was recently on thecrosstown.ca website. I recall that there were 15 vehicle-LRT crossings in the 5.3 km between (east of) Don Mills to (east of) Ionview. I am not sure, but I think all of them had traffic lights.

Just took a Streetview trip.

The only ones I see are:
-Credit Union Drive
-Pudham Gate
-Simott Road
-Rosemont Drive

This list only includes streets that cross the track, with stoplights and that don't have any stations at them.

It was far fewer than expected, which is great news. I'm hoping Metrolinx eliminates the intersections from Eglinton. Judging by the amount of cars, they are fairly low traffic.

It also means that signal priority should be significantly easier to manage since they'll only be at stations (if Metrolinx removes the 4 previously mentioned stops), synchronizing arrival at stations shoudn't be too much of a challenge.

Is it yet known if the LRT will be using Stop Request, or will they be stopping at every station? Some on UT seem to think that the surface portion will use Stop Request while Metrolinx has given me the impression that the LRT will be stopping at all underground stations. However I doubt that they'll have implement two different systems on the underground and surface sections. Any thoughts?

The benefit of stopping at every station is that synchronizing signal priority so that two LRVs can pass (EB and WB) will be far easier.

 

[BurlOak]

Just took a Streetview trip.

The only ones I see are:
-Credit Union Drive
-Pudham Gate
-Simott Road
-Rosemont Drive

This list only includes streets that cross the track, with stoplights and that don't have any stations at them.

It was far fewer than expected, which is great news. I'm hoping Metrolinx eliminates the intersections from Eglinton. Judging by the amount of cars, they are fairly low traffic.

It also means that signal priority should be significantly easier to manage since they'll only be at stations (if Metrolinx removes the 4 previously mentioned stops), synchronizing arrival at stations shoudn't be too much of a challenge.

Is it yet known if the LRT will be using Stop Request, or will they be stopping at every station? Some on UT seem to think that the surface portion will use Stop Request while Metrolinx has given me the impression that the LRT will be stopping at all underground stations. However I doubt that they'll have implement two different systems on the underground and surface sections. Any thoughts?

The benefit of stopping at every station is that synchronizing signal priority so that two LRVs can pass (EB and WB) will be far easier.

There are 15 in total. It is nice that there is no chance of an LRT being delayed by traffic lights if there is a stop there.

.(see link).

To stop bunching, I think it has to stop at every stop.

 

[innsertnamehere]

Those low level stops could be quite simple to prioritize, the outflow from te side streets would be Low enough to signal properly. (They probably only need a 30 second signal every 3 minutes, which can easily be for in between trains)

 

[Dan416]

I agree that the way the MBTA does it would work, with the thinner lines for the at-grade portions. I'd still label all the stops though assuming they fit on the map. If they don't though, then yeah. Has anyone tried doing a TTC style map with the Eglinton on it? I know the stops aren't finalized yet but we have a pretty good idea at this point.

BTW when will the line colour be finalized?

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Those low level stops could be quite simple to prioritize, the outflow from te side streets would be Low enough to signal properly. (They probably only need a 30 second signal every 3 minutes, which can easily be for in between trains)

Knowing this has alleviated any fears of the ECLRT frequently being stopped by traffic. The LRTs travel should rarely be interruped by traffic if singal priority is properly implemented. Metrolinx better make sure the signalling is done correctly.

Is it yet known if there will be some kind of physical barrier between the tracks and vehicles? A guardrail would be nice to prevent pedestrians from crossing the track and interrupting the trains. It would also be nice if the tracks remained unpaved, like they are on the Queensway. That would stop any vehicles from riding on the ROW.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

I agree that the way the MBTA does it would work, with the thinner lines for the at-grade portions. I'd still label all the stops though assuming they fit on the map. If they don't though, then yeah. Has anyone tried doing a TTC style map with the Eglinton on it? I know the stops aren't finalized yet but we have a pretty good idea at this point.

BTW when will the line colour be finalized?

Probably weeks before the line opens. I doubt anybody at the TTC is stressing over the map design. A 12 year old with Adobe Illustrator can design them in 6 hours for free.