[TheTigerMaster]

Tiger:

Size of the tunnel is one thing - the gradient and curvature of the tunnel is an independent factors that are optimized for the performance of LRVs (among other things), and it might not be compatible with subway trainsets.

AoD

My bad. I was thinking curvature compatibility was just a matter of ensuring that the tunnel was wide enough to handle the length of our subway cars.


I would hope Metrolinx would have the foresight to make sure it's compatible. Could save billion a few decades from now.

 

[TrickyRicky]

I don't think we need to worry about subway conversion on Eglington any time soon. The subway systems of cities with transit maps we envy often have beautiful coloured lines where the vehicles that run on them don't have any more capacity than our standard TTC streetcars.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

TR:

Beyond that, it is probably easier for TTC to name the specs for a higher capacity vehicle that can negotiate the tunnels as built and get the manufacturers to sort that out than to modify the tunnels themselves.

AoD

 

[Ramako]

I don't think we need to worry about subway conversion on Eglington any time soon. The subway systems of cities with transit maps we envy often have beautiful coloured lines where the vehicles that run on them don't have any more capacity than our standard TTC streetcars.

Speaking of which, does anyone know if the Eglinton line will be represented on subway maps like the Scarborough RT is, or ignored like the street car lines are?

 

[M II A II R II K]

Probably, or TC can have it's own type of line, and that way they can have any colour that the subway already has.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Speaking of which, does anyone know if the Eglinton line will be represented on subway maps like the Scarborough RT is, or ignored like the street car lines are?

It will certainly be on our maps. The ECLRT is a Rapid Transit line with majority underground operation similar to subways. I'm not sure if the FWLRT and SELRT will be on our maps, but considering that they are Rapid Transit, I would expect them to be on our maps.

 

[innsertnamehere]

Yes I expect them to be on the maps, but the surface portions should be a thinner line to represent the slower speeds.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Yes I expect them to be on the maps, but the surface portions should be a thinner line to represent the slower speeds.

Great way to confuse riders... But the map legend would be humorous. "Train go fast" on the bold line, "train go slow" on the thin line.

But in all seriousness, distinguishing between subway and surface LRT on maps could be disastrous from a political point of view. If the TTC wants people to believe that the LRTs are rapid transit (which they are), they should be represented similarly to subways. Whether or not they're on the map could be the difference between people viewing them as over glorified streetcars or as being just like subways, but on the street.

 

[innsertnamehere]

It would be more along the lines of "Rapid Transit" and "Surface LRT", then "faster trains" and "slower trains"

I'm not saying this is the way it will be implemented, but rather the way that it should be implemented.

 

[Ramako]

It would be more along the lines of "Rapid Transit" and "Surface LRT", then "faster trains" and "slower trains"

I'm not saying this is the way it will be implemented, but rather the way that it should be implemented.

There are portions of the regular subway lines that run on the surface, but those are not identified on the maps. Would the surface routes for the Eglinton LRT have to stop at intersections?

 

[TheTigerMaster]

It would be more along the lines of "Rapid Transit" and "Surface LRT", then "faster trains" and "slower trains"

I'm not saying this is the way it will be implemented, but rather the way that it should be implemented.

Saying "Rapid Transit" and "Surface LRT" isn't better than saying "train go fast" and "train go slow". It still makes the latter seem slower.

LRT is Rapid Transit. There is zero reason for it not to be listed as Rapid Transit.

 

[gweed123]

Great way to confuse riders... But the map legend would be humorous. "Train go fast" on the bold line, "train go slow" on the thin line.

But in all seriousness, distinguishing between subway and surface LRT on maps could be disastrous from a political point of view. If the TTC wants people to believe that the LRTs are rapid transit (which they are), they should be represented similarly to subways. Whether or not they're on the map could be the difference between people viewing them as over glorified streetcars or as being just like subways, but on the street.

Actually, the MBTA rapid transit map does make a slight distinction between grade-separated and at-grade LRT: http://www.mbta.com/schedules_and_maps/subway/

If you'll notice, you'll see that the Green Line line weight narrows slightly for at-grade branches, and the station dots are much closer together, with very few of them labelled. All grade-separated stations are labelled though.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

There are portions of the regular subway lines that run on the surface, but those are not identified on the maps. Would the surface routes for the Eglinton LRT have to stop at intersections?

And which portions are these? The entire subway line is shown on the map (excluding yards etc...). Unless there's some kind of conspiracy to hide them from us...

The surface routes for ECLRT will have portions that run on signal priority. As good at it is, it is fair to assume that trains will have to occasionally stop. Which is why I'm hoping Metrolinx will eliminate some intersections along Eglinton. It is ridiculous to have a train with 400 passengers stop at an interesection to let an 4 cars through.

 

[superman]

Saying "Rapid Transit" and "Surface LRT" isn't better than saying "train go fast" and "train go slow". It still makes the latter seem slower.

LRT is Rapid Transit. There is zero reason for it not to be listed as Rapid Transit.

LRT from Black Creek to Don Mills is rapid transit. Don Mills to Kennedy isn't. I think the first part can adopt subway like figures on maps, and the latter part can be a dashed line or something similar to distinguish the difference.

 

[sixrings]

Actually, the MBTA rapid transit map does make a slight distinction between grade-separated and at-grade LRT: http://www.mbta.com/schedules_and_maps/subway/

If you'll notice, you'll see that the Green Line line weight narrows slightly for at-grade branches, and the station dots are much closer together, with very few of them labelled. All grade-separated stations are labelled though.

love how the unlimited transit pass price is $70. and some people want transit fares to go up to pay for all the transit expansions.