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Northern Light said:
He posted a memo from the TTC to operators indicating that the sign-up for the February Board Period was delayed from January 14th, to January 21st (this Wednesday to next Wednesday)

The memo indicates the reason for delay as the need to create a revised board that incorporates line 5 operations.

The memo:


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The Board Period begins Sunday, February 8th.

While this does not mean an opening date would be February 8th, that would likely be the preferred target. But the date would be within the Board period in question.
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The problem is the bus network needs to run as current if the line is not opened or those routes need to be truncated if the line does open. So either the line opens on Feb 8 or the need two different schedules.
 
Steve X said:
The problem is the bus network needs to run as current if the line is not opened or those routes need to be truncated if the line does open. So either the line opens on Feb 8 or the need two different schedules.
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Could not the bus network stay the way it is for a month or two after Line 5 opens? That would mitigate any possible problems. As for cost, it's nothing compared to the billions wasted so far.
 
hw621 said:
Guys, get those slow speed complaints ready!
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My money is on them not being able to solve the slow speeds within 53 days:
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They are going to just chalk it up to "the ramp up stage". Like they did with Line 6: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mich...n-just-over-activity-7415416927319257088-GxR8

I can see the headline now: Toronto's new-ish LRTs, still in soft opening after 2 years. January 2028

Urban Toronto's best friend, Premier Doug Ford is also going to waddle out and comment after Line 5's slow speeds are revealed:

"To wait 15 years since the Liberals started this project and to have speeds this slow is unacceptable. We gotta get people to where they need to go quickly and on time. I know Metrolinx is working with Mayor Chow and the City to get faster speeds on this line already, and I'm impatient as anyone else, but those things take time... As my brother once said—God rest his soul: "'subways, subways, subways!' The Liberals should've made the whole thing a subway, or at least tunnelled the whole darn thing. But the time to make that choice has passed. We gotta do the best with what we have. Thank you, no further comments"
 
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I do NOT want to re-litigate the Sunnybrook / Leslie at-grade intersection discussion.. But I'm curious about a possible solution to provide for a full "isolated" segment between the future Renforth and Don Valley stations.

Could they not just ban SB and EB left turns at the intersection and remove any allowable movements through the intersection?

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I know there are a high volume of left turning vehicles EB at Eglinton... but if this was really a serious concern, I am confident that you would see left-turning traffic over time re-distribute to Don Mills and Bayview, both of which have the LRT stations underground. There really isn't a whole happening on Leslie between Eglinton and Lawrence other than some industrial and the condos right on the corner. Without any possible conflicts, the LRT could run at a much faster speed.

In general, this forum has been very focused on LRT infrastructure modifications, I wonder if new roadway infrastructure could resolve this issue at a lower cost and much less disruption to the LRT service. A possible fix could be conversion of Overland Dr. to a full signalized connection between Leslie St. and Barber Greene Rd.
 
duffo said:
I do NOT want to re-litigate the Sunnybrook / Leslie at-grade intersection discussion.. But I'm curious about a possible solution to provide for a full "isolated" segment between the future Renforth and Don Valley stations.

Could they not just ban SB and EB left turns at the intersection and remove any allowable movements through the intersection?

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I know there are a high volume of left turning vehicles EB at Eglinton... but if this was really a serious concern, I am confident that you would see left-turning traffic over time re-distribute to Don Mills and Bayview, both of which have the LRT stations underground. There really isn't a whole happening on Leslie between Eglinton and Lawrence other than some industrial and the condos right on the corner. Without any possible conflicts, the LRT could run at a much faster speed.

In general, this forum has been very focused on LRT infrastructure modifications, I wonder if new roadway infrastructure could resolve this issue at a lower cost and much less disruption to the LRT service. A possible fix could be conversion of Overland Dr. to a full signalized connection between Leslie St. and Barber Greene Rd.
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You still have to deal with pedestrian conflicts with people crossing the street in order to reach the station or just... well... crossing the street. There is also the issue of the lack of turn back facilities at Science Centre meaning that even with a simple grade separations you can't have your core "subway section" running all the way to Don Mills to meet the Ontario Line. This is a solution that will alleviate some of the issue, but it's a half measure at most.
 
ARG1 said:
You still have to deal with pedestrian conflicts with people crossing the street in order to reach the station or just... well... crossing the street. There is also the issue of the lack of turn back facilities at Science Centre meaning that even with a simple grade separations you can't have your core "subway section" running all the way to Don Mills to meet the Ontario Line. This is a solution that will alleviate some of the issue, but it's a half measure at most.
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Makes sense. I have no solution to the weird decisions around pocket track and crossover locations, but at the very least a signalized crosswalk to access the platform could allow for much shorter cycles (20 seconds to get halfway across the intersection, as the platform makes it functionally two-stage?) versus a full 4-way signalized intersection (several minutes, when factoring in long leading lefts?).
 
urbanclient said:
My money is on them not being able to solve the slow speeds within 53 days:
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They are going to just chalk it up to "the ramp up stage". Like they did with Line 6: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mich...n-just-over-activity-7415416927319257088-GxR8

I can see the headline now: Toronto's new-ish LRTs, still in soft opening after 2 years. January 2028

Urban Toronto's best friend, Premier Doug Ford is also going to waddle out and comment after Line 5's slow speeds are revealed:

"To wait 15 years since the Liberals started this project and to have speeds this slow is unacceptable. We gotta get people to where they need to go quickly and on time. I know Metrolinx is working with Mayor Chow and the City to get faster speeds on this line already, and I'm impatient as anyone else, but those things take time... As my brother once said—God rest his soul: "'subways, subways, subways!' The Liberals should've made the whole thing a subway, or at least tunnelled the whole darn thing. But the time to make that choice has passed. We gotta do the best with what we have. Thank you, no further comments"
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Typical political stalling BS
 
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duffo said:
I do NOT want to re-litigate the Sunnybrook / Leslie at-grade intersection discussion.. But I'm curious about a possible solution to provide for a full "isolated" segment between the future Renforth and Don Valley stations.

Could they not just ban SB and EB left turns at the intersection and remove any allowable movements through the intersection?

View attachment 708509

I know there are a high volume of left turning vehicles EB at Eglinton... but if this was really a serious concern, I am confident that you would see left-turning traffic over time re-distribute to Don Mills and Bayview, both of which have the LRT stations underground. There really isn't a whole happening on Leslie between Eglinton and Lawrence other than some industrial and the condos right on the corner. Without any possible conflicts, the LRT could run at a much faster speed.

In general, this forum has been very focused on LRT infrastructure modifications, I wonder if new roadway infrastructure could resolve this issue at a lower cost and much less disruption to the LRT service. A possible fix could be conversion of Overland Dr. to a full signalized connection between Leslie St. and Barber Greene Rd.
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The left turns could be replaced by "Michigan turns". There is enough space for two U-turns, half way up to Brentcliffe and at Palmateer Rd. And there is really no need for the crosswalk at the west side of the intersection. So from engineering point of view, significant improvements are possible. From political point of view, I am not so sure.
 
hw621 said:
Typical political stalling BS
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Let's be realistic here, if international subject matter experts were asked to polish this turd of a line to a mirror shine in 53 days, I doubt they'd pull it off, much less City of Toronto Transportation Services and the TTC. The former is notoriously carbrained and the latter was revealed to not even have deigned to learn from ION a mere hour's drive away*:
Milaisacat said:
"There are TRANSIT signal lights?? Surely this advanced technology hasn't been used in our hemisphere. IT'S BEEN USED TWO TOWNS OVER??? Incredible. We will have to study this remarkable breakthrough. What a time to be alive."
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*in the Dec 10 TTC board meeting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5Xz9HS6ank

Not to mention the fact that many employees were on vacation over the holidays. I doubt the allegedly planned educational trips to Waterloo, let alone Europe were approved yet. I'd give it a full year before the professional finger twiddlers effect any noticeable change.
 
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