[EnviroTO]

light rail ≠ heavy rail

Other interesting comparisons: Heavy rail not equal to vehicles on tires like the Montreal or Paris Metro. Ontario line vehicles are lighter than Toronto Rocket. UP DMU not equal to GO Train. Original Gloucester subway cars not equal to subway cars today.

That said, the experience sitting in a seat watching the tunnel pass by on the Eglinton LRT will barely be different to running along the existing subway lines.

 

[EnviroTO]

At some point I think transit fans will be the only people looking at the system map. Everyone else will be typing in where they want to go and Google will tell them what to take and Google will only consider travel time, not factors like vehicle type (unless the user specifies a bus or rail aversion).

 

[T3G]

Finally, the concept of “running in mixed traffic” is almost impossible to communicate in any reliable, customer-useful way. It implies variability but doesn’t translate into a consistent or predictable condition we can express visually. The degree to which traffic will disrupt the service on any given day simply can’t be quantified in a way customers can act on

The downtown network runs in mixed traffic, Eglinton and Finch do not.

 

[T3G]

Last night, not all of history had been erased, yet.

 

[Metroscapes]

Last night, not all of history had been erased, yet.

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Maybe they paused to recalibrate their printing after the first installation.

 

[smallspy]

First, the TTC’s position from the outset was that vehicle type is not a primary driver of customer decision-making; therefore LRT should be treated as part of the subway network. I disagree with this. Vehicle type does matter: unfamiliar riders carry specific assumptions about what “subway” means in terms of frequency, speed, and stopping pattern. Those assumptions help them understand the network even if they don’t know every detail.

Vehicle type does not matter. If it did, the Scarborough RT would have been differentiated on the map differently than the other lines, and it was not.

To the average customer, the Eglinton and Finch West lines will behave a lot like a subway - they will come quite frequently, they will have to pay before boarding the vehicle, and they will be able to enter from any door. Thus, it makes sense to put them on the map as equivalent.

Second, line thickness was already being used on the map to communicate frequency. Subway lines appear thicker than regional rail, and dashes were used elsewhere to signal lower-frequency service. While showing the underlying infrastructure can have value, it was ultimately judged less important because it doesn’t meaningfully support a customer decision. Riders need to know that they can board a train without checking a timetable and reach their destination quickly; whether a station is above or below grade rarely affects that judgment.

Agreed on all counts.

Finally, the concept of “running in mixed traffic” is almost impossible to communicate in any reliable, customer-useful way. It implies variability but doesn’t translate into a consistent or predictable condition we can express visually. The degree to which traffic will disrupt the service on any given day simply can’t be quantified in a way customers can act on.

Also agreed. This is why I disagree with putting the streetcars on any subway map without also putting a bus. The two are equivalent.

Dan

 

[APTA-2048]

Kind of a shame about the Cedarvale signage. The stainless steel looks much more refined. Obviously this was done on the cheap.

 

[A 6264]

At some point I think transit fans will be the only people looking at the system map. Everyone else will be typing in where they want to go and Google will tell them what to take and Google will only consider travel time, not factors like vehicle type (unless the user specifies a bus or rail aversion).

Oddly enough, it's very common for to hear bus passengers ask bus drivers questions about how to get to where they're going, rather than using tech to look it up, or sometimes they ask other passengers.

The way it often goes, is they ask their question awkwardly, the bus driver says, "well where are you trying to get to, exactly?", and the passenger goes off on a ramble about other things. I think they get that from watching politicians being asked questions on TV. Then when the driver tells them they're going in the wrong direction, and what they should do, the passenger gives them a funny look, like the driver must not know what he's talking about.

 

[A 6264]

Kind of a shame about the Cedarvale signage. The stainless steel looks much more refined. Obviously this was done on the cheap.

Not so much cheap in cost, but cheap in appearance. Elegance is not trendy, I guess.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Kind of a shame about the Cedarvale signage. The stainless steel looks much more refined. Obviously this was done on the cheap.

At least it is not gold paint.

 

[youngblood]

I’m speculating that we should have a date for line 5 by Dec 7 (or whenever line 6 opens). We all know the first question going to be asked of the politico at the line 6 opening ceremony will be and I would assume at that point they’d have some prepared remarks other than “there’s still a chance this year”

 

[pleaseLRT]

Metrolinx Board Docs for its Thu, Nov 27 board meeting were released and quickly taken down, however @Sauga89 was able to capture them before their deletion. Here are 2 things I found interesting re: Line 5

#1 - Still in RSD. Hasn't been handed to the TTC yet for final preparations

Here is a sixth document.
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#2 - ZERO mention of Line 5's progress in this slide deck. Makes me think that MX themselves have no idea when this will be done (also congrats on Line 6 for opening on Dec 7)

As mentioned, @nfitz has already posted this in the Finch West LRT thread (probably with higher resolution), but for convenience I figured I'd post this here too.
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[hw621]

I’m speculating that we should have a date for line 5 by Dec 7 (or whenever line 6 opens). We all know the first question going to be asked of the politico at the line 6 opening ceremony will be and I would assume at that point they’d have some prepared remarks other than “there’s still a chance this year”

to something like "not a chance this year"?

 

[youngblood]

to something like "not a chance this year"?

At least that's a definitive statement by them

 

[WillTo]

Last night, not all of history had been erased, yet.

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One door leads to Cedarvale station, the other Eglinton West. If you are in a wheelchair you must use Cedarvale.