zang
Senior Member
Thousands, not millions.
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Thousands, not millions.
T3G
Senior Member
Ha! I've never been called an optimist before.
Only a very small portion of the work involved work to the ROW, replacement of worn rails at certain stops. The bulk of the work from the TTC's side was rebuilding of the loop at St. Clair West, which wasn't done when the ROW conversion was on going (a project coordination failure), and overhead work to convert it to be only compatible with pantographs, something that could not have possibly been foreseen in years when we had no pantograph equipped cars in the city. Then there were various third party projects which took advantage of the closure.
512 St. Clair Converts to Bus Operation Until Summer 2024
From September 3, 2023 until summer 2024 (the exact date is not specified), the TTC will operate buses on route 512 St. Clair during several overlapping construction projects. Updated August 28 at …
stevemunro.ca
There are no conclusions to be drawn here as regarding new rail projects.
jmi22
Active Member
No, they spent decades as street-running, hyper frequent, local transit routes which were then substituted for the highest capacity form of rapid transit possible. Which is precisely the opposite of what this Russian nesting doll model of transit construction would have us do, inching forward decades at a time.
And before you start with "oh the streetcars have rails thus they're LRT", just don't, we both know that's ridiculous.
Sidenote: I am pleasantly surprised to have stumbled upon the one thing @NorthernLight and I are in agreement on
Rainforest
Senior Member
That's correct of course. But, to add more context: the personnel advantage of LRT only works for several hours per day, not for the whole service day.
Say, during the AM and PM rush, we replace 4 buses that run every 1.5 min with one LRT train that runs every 6 minutes. Same capacity, lower labour cost.
During the late evening and during wekeend mornings, one bus running every 10 min is sufficient to handle the demand. When switching to LRT, we do not replace it with one LRT train every 40 min, for the obvious reasons. We run the LRTs with roughly the same frequency, one every 10 min or so. No labour cost saving during these periods, and we have a slightly higher energy cost to run a bigger vehicle.
The overall balance may still be favorable for the LRT if the peak-period and shoulder-period demand is high enough; but the outcome will vary dependent on the route.
T3G
Senior Member
You are viewing this through far too inflexible of a lens. NO ONE is saying that inching forward decades at a time is necessary. What I have been arguing all along is that buses are not, and never will be, a replacement for a flexible, scalable intermediate capacity transit solution like LRT, and from certain financial aspects would be a much worse implementation.
And before you bring up the projected population of the new condo projects on Eglinton East decades from now which is supposed to overload the Crosstown, how about we simply don't overload one corridor? This is a problem that is entirely preventable, and if we do nothing about it we have no one to blame but ourselves. Building subways everywhere because we don't have enough imagination to spread the population out throughout the city is like burning down your house because you found a spider in it.
Ridiculous according to whom? "LRT" is just marketing wank, the vehicles are physically the exact same thing as streetcars, and can be run in various configurations, including coupled and non-coupled, just like streetcars, and in mixed traffic, private rights-of-way and even full grade separation, just like streetcars. Would you like to quantify what actual differences exist between these two modes, other than a desire to distance from the dubious reputation the downtown streetcars have for being slow?
Fair, but really, this is the case for all forms of transit, no? We buy enough vehicles to service the peak rush hour frequencies, even though a lot of vehicles may be out of service during the off-peak hours (depending on the service design).
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Thaboss
Active Member
Is this still an eglinton crosstown thread ? Or is this a line 2/line 4 thread ? Lol
Anyway, has anyone noticed cross town activities? Do we have any insider scoops on how things are going.
Anyway, has anyone noticed cross town activities? Do we have any insider scoops on how things are going.
nfitz
Superstar
What kind of activities? With regular running going on, I'd think only an absence of regular operation would be reported.
Thaboss
Active Member
With how metrolinx communicates about line 5, we might stumble across that info. 10 months after the fact, which is why I ask.
I also, haven't been down there to see for my self in some time so I was just wondering.
nfitz
Superstar
In this thread? The news will be quick.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Today is August 22, 2025. We have 11 days till September 2, 2025. Watching the chimney, just black smoke at the moment.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Does the TTC have a record of how many of the legacy streetcar operators requested a transfer to the Eglinton Maintenance and Storage Facility for training on the light rail vehicles on Line 5? Probably would be easier to operate than in mixed traffic.
robmausser
Senior Member
Not to mention you get a nice break every time the train goes underground and into ATC.
That information would not be publically available though, id imagine. But I agree that internally the employees would be trying to get moved to the LRT.
SaugeenJunction
Senior Member
Some testing footage from today. Train frequency timestamps in the video description.
Transportfan
Senior Member
Is the significance in this video the train frequencies, as in pre-opening ghost service? There's been a lot of them the past few years.
Transportfan
Senior Member
It would make monetary sense to have the westbound drivers get off at Laird and run with the cab empty to Mount Dennis and have them change to run eastbound.