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I have used systems around the world that do not use a preposition in the destination sign (e.g. "to")

If the preposition is in a language I don't understand, I don't know it is a preposition. So having it is actually more confusing.
You don't need a preposition if you don't have a route name. But if you do, it would be helpful to specify exactly which one is which.

FWIW, outside of North America I have found it is much rarer to use route names, so make of that what you will.
 
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I really, really hope this is not the final destination sign formatting.
It's unknown. There are at least 4 different formats and sign wording currently being displayed on the various vehicles.

I have used systems around the world that do not use a preposition in the destination sign (e.g. "to")

If the preposition is in a language I don't understand, I don't know it is a preposition. So having it is actually more confusing.
One thing to keep in mind - all signage and announcements is bilingual. That would mean that in this case, any preposition on the destination would also therefore have to be in both languages.

Just some food for thought.

Dan
 
It's unknown. There are at least 4 different formats and sign wording currently being displayed on the various vehicles.


One thing to keep in mind - all signage and announcements is bilingual. That would mean that in this case, any preposition on the destination would also therefore have to be in both languages.

Just some food for thought.

Dan
I wonder if that explains how useless the displays are inside the GO trains.
 
It's not only about Torontonians, or those residing in the GTA. This is about wayfinding, which is used by everyone including those who arent familiar with the system, newcomers, tourists, etc.

Do you think these people will understand what "Kennedy" means when their vehicle is arriving?

The answer to the above question is, very likely no they wouldnt.

Your rebuttal would be (and rightly so) that this is already used on the Bloor-Danforth line. Yes that it true, but it's old and antiquated.
I say that cause Line 5 is written all over the platform. If you’re wayfinding and don’t realize that, it’s already a problem.

If they want to improve wayfinding, they should wrap the trains like the SRT had or place some big Line 5 logo decals on the train like NYC has done.
 
No way to communicate info between the 5A car (accessibility coach where the CAD/AVL is), and the other cars. No data pins available to use
Oh sorry, I wasn’t referring to the blank screens. I meant the 5A car screens only displaying the station name and nothing more. Something like “Next station”, or “Arriving at”, I thought, would make things clearer.
 
No way to communicate info between the 5A car (accessibility coach where the CAD/AVL is), and the other cars. No data pins available to use
That's not quite true.

While you're right that there is no more data able to be carried by the MU and COMM lines, CAD/AVL data is shared amongst the cars via the Cat5 bus line. All of the CEM cars have it installed from the factory.

The problem now is that the program to upgrade all of the old cars with Cat5 has been cancelled.

Dan
 
While you're right that there is no more data able to be carried by the MU and COMM lines, CAD/AVL data is shared amongst the cars via the Cat5 bus line. All of the CEM cars have it installed from the factory.

The problem now is that the program to upgrade all of the old cars with Cat5 has been cancelled.

Oh I definitely didn’t know the full story, my bad thanks for the correction
 
It's not only about Torontonians, or those residing in the GTA. This is about wayfinding, which is used by everyone including those who arent familiar with the system, newcomers, tourists, etc.

Do you think these people will understand what "Kennedy" means when their vehicle is arriving?

The answer to the above question is, very likely no they wouldnt.

Your rebuttal would be (and rightly so) that this is already used on the Bloor-Danforth line. Yes that it true, but it's old and antiquated.

Sometimes ‘old’ is not antiquated but straightforward and clear. Just saying, no need to change as it works well.
 
KENNEDY is all they need. We know it's line 5 already. If you don't, you probably shouldn't be riding transit.
You'd be surprised the amount of people I see who speak English, see the 905 goes to Kennedy and still ask the driver if it does, people in this city are confusing...
 
You'd be surprised the amount of people I see who speak English, see the 905 goes to Kennedy and still ask the driver if it does, people in this city are confusing...
Once, my grade 5 class was heading back west from a field trip to the Science Centre and a Flemingdon Park bus clearly saying "to Eglinton Station" pulled up... despite a couple of us who lived along Eglinton and also the bus driver pleading with the guy that yes, this bus goes to the station, our teacher decided to wait outside in the dead of winter for the 34 to come anyway. Clearly some things are just never truly foolproof.
 
Once, my grade 5 class was heading back west from a field trip to the Science Centre and a Flemingdon Park bus clearly saying "to Eglinton Station" pulled up... despite a couple of us who lived along Eglinton and also the bus driver pleading with the guy that yes, this bus goes to the station, our teacher decided to wait outside in the dead of winter for the 34 to come anyway. Clearly some things are just never truly foolproof.
This reminds me of a current pet peeve, which may be an indication of why passengers might not trust what drivers say. I've see this happen a few times at the bus platform at Broadview station, but it could happen anywhere. A bus pulls up to the wrong bay, opens its doors, a crowd rushes in without looking at the sign on the bus, and the driver never tells anyone it's not the bus they think it is. I have got on the wrong bus because of this, and the driver never made an announcement. Since then, I've seen drivers do this several times, and if they were to make an announcement over the intercom, saying "attention passengers, this is the xxx bus", I'm sure I'd see a lot of people get out at once. Instead, no one gets out, the bus pulls away, and I'm sure many passengers aren't aware of which bus they are on. I believe this happens at times where the platforms are crowded, and the driver wants to be helpful by taking passengers away as soon as possible, without waiting for the right bay to open up. They can do that, but they're missing an important step. Has anyone else seen this, or had it happen to them?
 

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