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Steve X said:
They could simply move to a laggy left signal and let the “streetcar” through first.
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That does seem the obvious answer. Once the LRT is loaded and ready to proceed through the intersection the left turn signal is delayed until the LRT proceeds through. And in these cases, after the LRT has passed and in order to reduce bottlenecks, the left turn signal can be extended to compensate for the “delay” of the LRT.
 
Admiral Beez said:
I assume your question is disingenuous, intended as a dismissal rather than true inquiry, but both sides of Eglinton from Victoria Park onwards are slated to be torn down and residential development put in. Now's our chance to require those developments to include the roads to reduce left turns off Eglinton. I expect you may reply the contrarian, to tell us why this cannot, will not or should not be done, but so be it.
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"Considering the cost of my idea is a bad faith argument"

Do you think lands taken from developers by the city during redevelopment are free? What parks, public spaces and infrastructure upgrades should *not* occur, so you can build two dozen jug handles?

Do you think the drastic widening of every single major intersection along an arterial would not increase operational costs?

Do you think the mass drop off in taxable private square footage with the handover of private land to the public would not occur and harm already skint city revenues?

For lots left un-appropriated, would their drop in value brought on by the fact they are now wrapped in blighting highway infrastructure not impact city tax roll returns on the transit project we just spent billions of dollars on?

Lastly, I would absolutely love to see you provide examples of even just a few attractive, urban boulevards with street running transit that have their street wall broken up at every intersection by a 10,000 sf jug handle. I'll save you some time, you won't, because it is akin to pushing two magnets together.
 
cplchanb said:
well today is the purported start of the FRD.... hopefully this is the beginning of the end of this dreaded wait... 🫥 🤞
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Yes, but... how long has it been since they started the first test runs of trains on the line?
I did a quick look at back pages of this thread, to try to find the first pictures of trains seen running. It's possible the answer is at the bottom of page 1300.
 
Does RFD just mean the schedule that they'll likely have on a normal day?

I was on Eglinton for a few hours a couple of days ago and saw trains every 4 - 5 minutes in the morning, so just trying to figure out the difference
 
cplchanb said:
The full revenue demonstration...
Apparently from a few pages back it was projected to start today iirc
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If true, the timeline does line up to concluding revenue demonstration in September so that substantial completion can be declared by the end of the month (per Mike Lindsay's comments).
 
Admiral Beez said:
That does seem the obvious answer. Once the LRT is loaded and ready to proceed through the intersection the left turn signal is delayed until the LRT proceeds through. And in these cases, after the LRT has passed and in order to reduce bottlenecks, the left turn signal can be extended to compensate for the “delay” of the LRT.
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Most of the surface Eglinton LRT will be far-side platforms. They should be able proceed through the intersection to the loading platform on the far-side. Unless Toronto Transportation Services does what it does now, and give priority to the single-occupant SUV turning left first.

Just like with the St. Clair, Spadina, and The Queensway streetcars, unfortunately. One of the reasons why Toronto has the slowest streetcar/tram network in the world.
 
Admiral Beez said:
Well, there is Douglas, the capital city of the Isle of Man.


More seriously, Melbourne Australia has similar complaints.

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Is it an exclusively Toronto thing that we don't want to solve the problems, instead we would rather deceive ourselves by saying "there are some cities that have similar problems, so it is not a big deal"?

Btw, the Melbourne tram system is still way faster and reliable than the TTC streetcar system; in fact, the TTC streetcar system is THE slowest, not one of the slowest, among almost all modern tram systems in the world.
 
Bizari said:
Btw, the Melbourne tram system is still way faster and reliable than the TTC streetcar system; in fact, the TTC streetcar system is THE slowest, not one of the slowest, among almost all modern tram systems in the world.
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I'd hardly call a legacy system like Toronto's streetcars a modern tram system. I think the only comparison in North America is Philadelphia, and I don't recall that on the list that was compiled recently.

For a modern tram system, look at Finch West when that opens, and the Scarborough portion of Line 5.
 
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