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Bizari
New Member
It is absolutely insane that Toronto spent $ 13 billion and almost 15 years to build a glorified streetcar project, and the "LRT" needs to wait so long to cross every single intersection because there is no basic signal priority.
It is mind-blowing to see that they need to let the left-turning cars go first, exactly how they operate the diabolical streetcar routes in downtown Toronto.
How signal priority for a project like this is not a default component, and nobody in Toronto seems to care is actually crazy.
Steve X
Senior Member
It’s not too late to update the signs to 534 Eglinton
Amare
Senior Member
Feel free to make your thoughts known the the General Manager of the (archaic) Toronto Transportation Services, whom seem not to understand the concept of how proper signal priority would speed up commute times for thousands of people every day:
Barbara Gray
Barbara.Gray@toronto.ca
Barbara Gray
Barbara.Gray@toronto.ca
Allandale25
Senior Member
And copy your Councillor and MPP.
Cyrobyte
New Member
The worst part is that they decided to build light rail instead of heavy rail because they thought it would be cheaper, but it ended up costing 13 billion dollars.
Obsidian
Active Member
We still probably saved 5 to 10 billion because if it was heavy rail it would all be underground. Most likely the Finch West LRT would have been scrapped to pay for a fully underground Eglinton heavy rail system or the province would have said no because of the cost to financing the cost and reduce the length to probably half of the Eglinton Crosstown..
Bizari
New Member
I wonder how long it will take the media to realize and pay attention to this?
Out of all the crazy things this project has given us, the lack of signal priority is probably one of the top three most bizarre things.
Thaboss
Active Member
Not sure I agree at all....
In an alternative world, the eglinton subway was built and completed in the mid to late 90s for billions of dollars cheaper than this lrt.
The city could then focuse on other projects including the Finch lrt. And Lakeshore line in the 20 years that follow.
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Instead we had short sighted decsion making to cust imaginary costs without considering FV of land and inflating labour costs
duffo
Active Member
This has been said a million times in this thread, but there is "basic signal priority". At all signals, the red signal can be shortened and the green can be extended to allow trains running behind schedule to recover and maintain headway.
The reason given for no more aggressive form of TSP is that a) it would negatively impact high volumes of north-south car traffic at intersections along Eglinton b) these roads also have very frequent bus service which would also be subject to the increased congestion, offsetting some of the positive impact of more aggressive TSP for riders who need to transfer from these routes.
Obsidian
Active Member
well that goes to my point, the Eglinton subway was a fraction of the length of the Crosstown LRT so if the Crosstown was proposed as a subway i would have never been proposed at it current length, at most it would probably be half the current length as a subway project.
I gladly take a 28km Eglinton LRT lines (both phases) over a half as long Crosstown subway anyday.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
IMO, there should be no left turns allowed on any streetcar or LRT route in this city. As for Eglinton, any left turns not eliminated should be Jughandles.
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ShonTron
Moderator
My top five intersections for eliminating left turns are:
- Bathurst and Dundas, especially eastbound.
- Spadina and Queen
- Spadina and Dundas
- Spadina and College
- Queen and Dufferin
It’s a bit trickier for downtown streets, but whenever a left turn for drivers is deemed necessary, install a left turn advance signal. At Dundas and Jarvis, it clears eastbound streetcars pretty well.
- Bathurst and Dundas, especially eastbound.
- Spadina and Queen
- Spadina and Dundas
- Spadina and College
- Queen and Dufferin
It’s a bit trickier for downtown streets, but whenever a left turn for drivers is deemed necessary, install a left turn advance signal. At Dundas and Jarvis, it clears eastbound streetcars pretty well.
bearcat
Active Member
At southbound Bathurst at Adelaide the advance green left turn should get extended until the streetcar clears the intersection.
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smallspy
Senior Member
With what land? How much more expensive did you want the project to be in order to buy all of those buildings to tear down for your jughandles?
Dan