[Jane2021]

Just wondering like how Eglinton has the new bus routes already posted on poles does Finch West have any of the new bus routes already posted on poles?

 

[Jonny5]

Even on GO trains, Rough Hill GO's elevator is out of service, they tell you to get off at Guildwood GO and talk to someone to arrange a shuttle to Rough Hill.

I would be red with anger at being treated so rough there.

 

[zang]

I would be red with anger at being treated so rough there.

Welcome to accessibility in Canada. It’s never been a true priority, and ultimately just becomes a generic checkbox to be crossed off during construction.

 

[smallspy]

I am betting the 34 will be pretty popular once people realize how much walking and stair climbing they need to do to access those stations.

Have you ever taken the 97?

The 34 will operate as emptily as the 97 does.

Even on GO trains, Rough Hill GO's elevator is out of service, they tell you to get off at Guildwood GO and talk to someone to arrange a shuttle to Rough Hill.

This a gross simplification verging on lying.

They will ask the passenger to get off at the next station, yes. But they are then told to report to the station attendant, who will arrange a ride back to their destination.

If there is no attendant on duty, the CSA is supposed to call into Commuter Central who will arrange things.

Just wondering like how Eglinton has the new bus routes already posted on poles does Finch West have any of the new bus routes already posted on poles?

There are several thousand stops around the City that need to be changed ahead of the opening of the two LRT lines, so they are giving themselves time to update all of the affected stops ahead of revenue service starting.

They've changed many of the stops not just on Eglinton, but also on many of the streets that cross it as well - but not all of them yet. I suspect that since they've been doing this since December that they've done something similar on Finch West, although admittedly I don't get up there much these days and so have not seen it in person.

Dan

 

[jordanmkasla2009]

To operate a route just in case the elevator breaks down is financially unfeasible. The 149 is there cause the stations haven't got the elevators installed. Even on GO trains, Rough Hill GO's elevator is out of service, they tell you to get off at Guildwood GO and talk to someone to arrange a shuttle to Rough Hill.

if the financial feasibility was the primary concern they wouldn't operate the 97 Yonge bus, yet they do.

 

[dowlingm]

if the financial feasibility was the primary concern they wouldn't operate the 97 Yonge bus, yet they do.

And yet there is no parallel bus service on Line 2, or Line 1 west half. While I'm actually a proponent of infill bus routes to increase permeability of higher order routes, even if overlapping but not truly parallel (e.g. 51-56 combination), it is not now a policy of the TTC to operate buses solely on the offchance an elevator is down.
(Edit to correct 54 to 56)

 

[PL1]

And yet there is no parallel bus service on Line 2, or Line 1 west half. While I'm actually a proponent of infill bus routes to increase permeability of higher order routes, even if overlapping but not truly parallel (e.g. 51-54 combination), it is not now a policy of the TTC to operate buses solely on the offchance an elevator is down.

I suspect that is because Line 2 stations (Jane to Main) are roughly 800 m apart. Of course, the 300 overnight bus does make additional stops.

 

[robmausser]

I suspect that is because Line 2 stations (Jane to Main) are roughly 800 m apart. Of course, the 300 overnight bus does make additional stops.

This is exactly why. The 97 Bus only exists because the original TTC plan of stations at Blythwood and Yonge Blvd (or nearby I forget the exact streets) were met with opposition both from NIMBYS in the area and rising costs. The stations are quite far apart, and besides the North York Centre infill, continue to be far apart to Finch.

One could argue that Line 2 actually has too many stations that limit its effectiveness as a rapid transit system.

 

[drum118]

And yet there is no parallel bus service on Line 2, or Line 1 west half. While I'm actually a proponent of infill bus routes to increase permeability of higher order routes, even if overlapping but not truly parallel (e.g. 51-54 combination), it is not now a policy of the TTC to operate buses solely on the offchance an elevator is down.

Look the the spacing between stations and divide by 2 to see the radius for the stations. 400-600m spacing between all types of stops in place of 100-250m to the point some areas can see 1000m due to what is there in the first place.

I guess you miss the 97 for Yonge parallel bus service with part of it not service outside of peak. Until line 5 is extended to Renforth, the 34 will do well on that section after 5 opens and be the same as the 97 for the open section of Line 5.

Both the 97 and 34 will run poorly and are there in case an elevator goes down to service the accessibility community. This is what we get when there is only one elevator per station in place of two that should have been there on day one..

As for Line 2, you will need far more buses to service that line than 1 do to only one lane of traffic and stations more close than 1 north of Eglinton and St George. Can't run parallel bus service for the Spadina section to York Region.

The problem for a fair number of stations on Line 2, they connect to N-S bus routes as well streetcars.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

I remember using the 4 ANNETTE trolley bus when the Bloor-Danforth Subway (Line 2) was down because of the Christie Subway fire (October 15-17, 1976). With 6 minute headway, it still provided good enough supplementary service when the subway was unavailable. There were shuttle buses along Bloor Street West, but the 4 ANNETTE trolley bus was better, going along Dupont & Annette. It's replacement, the 26 DUPONT bus has a 30 minute headway, making it a very poor substitute.

From https://digitalarchive.tpl.ca/objects/360180/burnedout-ruins-of-four-bloor-subways-cars-are-examined-by


See https://transittoronto.ca/bus/8119.shtml

 

[APTA-2048]

This a gross simplification verging on lying.

They will ask the passenger to get off at the next station, yes. But they are then told to report to the station attendant, who will arrange a ride back to their destination.

If there is no attendant on duty, the CSA is supposed to call into Commuter Central who will arrange things.

To add: they have a contracted accessible shuttle bus on standby, so there is a minimal wait.

 

[T3G]

One could argue that Line 2 actually has too many stations that limit its effectiveness as a rapid transit system.

Can you specify which stations you would like to see nixed?

I don't see how anyone could possibly make this argument in good faith.

 

[A 6264]

Can you specify which stations you would like to see nixed?

I don't see how anyone could possibly make this argument in good faith.

Probably referring to Bay station being only a block away from the stations on either side of it.
Bay was built because it was planned as a terminus. Now that it isn't, it appears to be redundant.
But it gets a lot of use, and serves customers who would otherwise use Yonge, whose platforms are occasionally dangerously overcrowded.
So it's a good thing that Bay is there. It might not have been built if the planners had known it would be just another station on line 2. Consider it a good choice, by accident.
In any event, one extra station doesn't "limit its effectivenss as a rapdi transit system", even if you're thinking of line 2 an express route.
I've always looked at all the downtown stations as being close together to function like a local route, turning into an express route when they run beyond the city core.
If the stations were further apart, people going from/to downtown would have to do a lot more walking, and the stations would be ridiculously overcrowded.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Probably referring to Bay station being only a block away from the stations on either side of it.
Bay was built because it was planned as a terminus. Now that it isn't, it appears to be redundant.
But it gets a lot of use, and serves customers who would otherwise use Yonge, whose platforms are occasionally dangerously overcrowded.
So it's a good thing that Bay is there. It might not have been built if the planners had known it would be just another station on line 2. Consider it a good choice, by accident.
In any event, one extra station doesn't "limit its effectivenss as a rapdi transit system", even if you're thinking of line 2 an express route.
I've always looked at all the downtown stations as being close together to function like a local route, turning into an express route when they run beyond the city core.
If the stations were further apart, people going from/to downtown would have to do a lot more walking, and the stations would be ridiculously overcrowded.

The 19 BAY bus could be a supplemental accessible bus route for Line 1. However, it only goes far north as Davenport Road. There are other bus routes apparelling Yonge Street (like along Avenue Road), but are piece meal and further away from Yonge Street.

The 179 CASTLEFIELD bus is alleged to start when Line 5 opens. It will parallel (so of) Eglinton Avenue West from Keelesdale Station in the west to Marlee Avenue and Cedarvale Station. If Line 5 is down between Keele Street and Allen Road, some may decide to use the 179 CASTLEFIELD bus.

 

[bearcat]

The 19 BAY bus could be a supplemental accessible bus route for Line 1. However, it only goes far north as Davenport Road. There are other bus routes apparelling Yonge Street (like along Avenue Road), but are piece meal and further away from Yonge Street.

The 179 CASTLEFIELD bus is alleged to start when Line 5 opens. It will parallel (so of) Eglinton Avenue West from Keelesdale Station in the west to Marlee Avenue and Cedarvale Station. If Line 5 is down between Keele Street and Allen Road, some may decide to use the 179 CASTLEFIELD bus.View attachment 666067

It's also useful for the big cluster of highrises at Marlee and Roselawn to avoid walking to Cedarvale Station. Together with 109 it should be pretty frequent.