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cplchanb said:
True.

its not the operational aspect we are worried about... its getting TO the operations that has everyone now sweating bullets. we all saw how the YUSE went....
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TTC has been sharing feedback on Eglinton for several years. So much so that Crosslinx looked bad and kicked them out in May 2023 with the argument they were not party to the contract and TTC was reporting deficiencies not stipulated in their contract with Metrolinx.

I would hazard a guess that those issues were not resolved when TTC received access for training purposes and were re-reported again. I speculate that fixing them (or perhaps just arguing the fix isn't necessary) is one of the reasons TTC has taken a while to begin broader operations testing: Why spend resources testing what they already know is deficient by empirical measurement? I have zero insider knowledge; just speculation due to the informational black-hole Metrolinx leaves.

The lesson to be learned by Metrolinx/IO legal is detailed tolerance specifications need to be part of the contract and consistent across all vendor contracts (not bespoke for each one individually).

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toro...rosslinx-sue-ttc-delays-1.6844693#:~:text=The provincial transit agency has,2023 8%3A46 AM PDT
 
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Will there be a training period for the drivers on the bus routes that change? Or do they just send them out on the new routes on day 1 of revenue service?

Has the exact routing of the changed bus service been published? I’m thinking of the 71 Runnymede route. Currently it terminates north at the 120 Industry Street - Mt Dennis Bus garage.
Will it terminate at Mt. Dennis Station instead and bypass the Ray Avenue/Industry Street part of the route completely?

Or will it do the loop of Weston Road -> Ray Avenue -> Industry Street -> Todd Baylis -> Black Creek Drive -> Eglinton Avenue -> Mt Dennis Station? Which would mean if you are taking the bus north you would get off at Weston and Eglinton to access Line 5 and avoid the loop.
 
rickvbiker said:
Will there be a training period for the drivers on the bus routes that change? Or do they just send them out on the new routes on day 1 of revenue service?
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In most cases, drivers already know the roads that will be used because they are being used by other routes. All they will need to learn is any new curves or stops, which will be handled by the provision of maps and memos and other internal documents.

In the case of any stations with bus-only roadways however, there will be training provided to drivers closer to the opening date. This will cover things such as access to and from the platforms, clearances throughout the complexes, access to facilities, etc.

rickvbiker said:
Has the exact routing of the changed bus service been published? I’m thinking of the 71 Runnymede route. Currently it terminates north at the 120 Industry Street - Mt Dennis Bus garage.
Will it terminate at Mt. Dennis Station instead and bypass the Ray Avenue/Industry Street part of the route completely?

Or will it do the loop of Weston Road -> Ray Avenue -> Industry Street -> Todd Baylis -> Black Creek Drive -> Eglinton Avenue -> Mt Dennis Station? Which would mean if you are taking the bus north you would get off at Weston and Eglinton to access Line 5 and avoid the loop.
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Yes, although it will require wading through several versions of the TTC's own reports to find it. Closer to the opening date, the TTC will publish new public-facing information for each route.

In the case of the 71 specifically, it appears that the only change will be that the route will enter the bus terminal at Mount Dennis - it will continue to serve the Mt. Dennis bus garage and the industrial area surrounding it.

TOtramz said:
Any trains on the line today? Perhaps today is the day for RSD to finally start 🤞
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TTC staff have been performing inspections on the cars for the past several days. Service testing is currently planned to resume on Wednesday.

Dan
 
smallspy said:
In most cases, drivers already know the roads that will be used because they are being used by other routes. All they will need to learn is any new curves or stops, which will be handled by the provision of maps and memos and other internal documents.

In the case of any stations with bus-only roadways however, there will be training provided to drivers closer to the opening date. This will cover things such as access to and from the platforms, clearances throughout the complexes, access to facilities, etc.


Yes, although it will require wading through several versions of the TTC's own reports to find it. Closer to the opening date, the TTC will publish new public-facing information for each route.

In the case of the 71 specifically, it appears that the only change will be that the route will enter the bus terminal at Mount Dennis - it will continue to serve the Mt. Dennis bus garage and the industrial area surrounding it.


TTC staff have been performing inspections on the cars for the past several days. Service testing is currently planned to resume on Wednesday.

Dan
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Would Wednesday service testing be considered part of RSD or yet another intermediary step? Tyia
 
bono47 said:
Would Wednesday service testing be considered part of RSD or yet another intermediary step? Tyia
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The cynical me is already assuming a pretest of a pretest...:rolleyes: they don't exactly have a great track record when it comes to efficiency
 
I have a new hire starting soon. They live at Yonge and Eglinton and our RTO office is near Martin Ross and Dufferin. The new employee doesn't drive, so I am hoping the crosstown opens soon, making the move from Eglinton Stn to Sheppard West Stn. so much easier. Right now it's about 50 min door to door, https://maps.app.goo.gl/UQS1v6YiMVUeeWi18. It's only 30 mins from Eglinton West, so the Crosstown will likely shave off at least ten minutes from the total commute. The most unreliable part is the bus from Sheppard West north until it reached the ROW above Finch. That ROW should start at Sheppard.
 
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The crosstown is going to be nice, but the difference between that and taking the bus between Eglinton and Eglinton West is going to be what, 5 minutes? Seems like that's a very minor part of the challenge involved in getting to a remote part of North York!
 
Admiral Beez said:
I have a new hire starting soon. They live at Yonge and Eglinton and our RTO office is near Martin Ross and Dufferin. The new employee doesn't drive, so I am hoping the crosstown opens soon, making the move from Eglinton Stn to Sheppard West Stn. so much easier. Right now it's about 50 min door to door, https://maps.app.goo.gl/UQS1v6YiMVUeeWi18. It's only 30 mins from Eglinton West, so the Crosstown will likely shave off at least ten minutes from the total commute. The most unreliable part is the bus from Sheppard West north until it reached the ROW above Finch. That ROW should start at Sheppard.
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Oh my!
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A nearby business I assume. Well played, sir! Glad I didn't click on that on my work computer. I'll have to see what interesting ads I get for the next few days. :)

evandyk said:
The crosstown is going to be nice, but the difference between that and taking the bus between Eglinton and Eglinton West is going to be what, 5 minutes? Seems like that's a very minor part of the challenge involved in getting to a remote part of North York!
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There's also the savings of the reliability and convenience of 4-stop subway ride from Eglinton to Cedarvale stations. I haven't driven that way for years, but traffic on Eglinton wasn't pretty, especially when passing the Allen. Right now (since I screen shot that) it's not even giving an Eglinton to Eglinton West bus option!

Hopefully his boss is forgiving when there's transit issues - and doesn't give them a hard time!
 
My wife works at Bayview and Eglinton, so we're looking forward to it opening too! But I checked google maps when I posted that, and it said it was (at the time, which was obviously not rush hour) a 16 minute bus ride. There's no doubt that the crosstown is an improvement in both speed and reliability, but getting from Sheppard West to the sex shop is going to be a much bigger challenge than getting from Eglinton to Eglinton West.
 
Unbelievably, we are still unclear on the contractual obligations...From today's TTC board meeting, speaking to the contracts (that were set years back):

Interim CEO Greg Percy said:
The agreements...if you put together the most complicated agreements and how they work with each other...we've achieved that
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Going forward we will be sorting through [issues] with the contract .... I'm pretty sure we're going to be stepping in it ... before we go live...that's very high priority for us.
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He did clearly state these contracts were written up many years ago...so why are we only reviewing this now?
 
Coolibop said:
Unbelievably, we are still unclear on the contractual obligations...From today's TTC board meeting, speaking to the contracts (that were set years back):

Interim CEO Greg Percy said:



He did clearly state these contracts were written up many years ago...so why are we only reviewing this now?
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Thats classic ttc and ML bureaucracy talking. Things can never be done concurrently and collectively
 
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