[A 6264]

Urbantoronto should start a pool for this...just saying

NOBODY should be running a pool about this stuff. I realize you're joking, but if some corrupt official works on the planning board, they could put in a huge bet that the line will be delayed until next year, and then do everything they can to make that happen. (A lot easier than betting on it to open soon, and trying to make that happen.)

 

[A 6264]

All that gets transferred is the console.....the infrastructure that executes the signalling functions (and that had all the previous glitches) is the same.

Sure, the console tie-in might have glitches also, but much less serious ones. One would hope that the TTC infrastructure and any downstream systems was in some sort of "listener" mode already and has been tested before official cutover.

- Paul

The question isn't what could go wrong differently under TTC control, it's about HOW they deal with the problem. Let's not forget that the TTC has shut down late evening and weekend service on certain subway sections for months or even years at a time, to replace signalling systems. What do they do, replace 4 inches of cable each night?

 

[A 6264]

It is a milestone, but let’s not forget the TTC has its own history of issues. People here are quick to criticize Metrolinx, but the TTC isn’t necessarily more efficient — just differently flawed.

Huh? Transfer to the TTC is a milestone, in the sense that it must be done for the new line to ever get opened, but at the same time we shouldn't do it because the TTC aren't good at this? The line should never open, then.
I do agree with your "differently flawed" comment though; see my reply immediately above.

 

[rbt]

It is a milestone, but let’s not forget the TTC has its own history of issues. People here are quick to criticize Metrolinx, but the TTC isn’t necessarily more efficient — just differently flawed.

TTC mises construction timelines but when they open a new line or extension they tend to hit the expected level of service without long closures to fix problems. If TTC is finding and reporting issues, I'd lean toward believing they're actual issues. I don't think TTC will filibuster the opening of the line; they're very motivated to reduce their bus network.

 

[cplchanb]

It is a milestone, but let’s not forget the TTC has its own history of issues. People here are quick to criticize Metrolinx, but the TTC isn’t necessarily more efficient — just differently flawed.

True.

TTC mises construction timelines but when they open a new line or extension they tend to hit the expected level of service without long closures to fix problems. If TTC is finding and reporting issues, I'd lean toward believing they're actual issues. I don't think TTC will filibuster the opening of the line; they're very motivated to reduce their bus network.

its not the operational aspect we are worried about... its getting TO the operations that has everyone now sweating bullets. we all saw how the YUSE went....

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

The question isn't what could go wrong differently under TTC control, it's about HOW they deal with the problem. Let's not forget that the TTC has shut down late evening and weekend service on certain subway sections for months or even years at a time, to replace signalling systems. What do they do, replace 4 inches of cable each night?

The problem with the current TTC is the lack of funding for operations. They were forced to defer, defer, and defer on maintenance and shorten the time needed for cleaning or garbage pickup or even tightening of bolts or changing light bulbs. That results in what we have now, having to play catch-up on many things.

 

[Red_Bulmer]

Just for laughs.
Screenshot of a gambling ad, you can place a bet on the opening date of the Eglinton LRT.

 

[rbt]

True.

its not the operational aspect we are worried about... its getting TO the operations that has everyone now sweating bullets. we all saw how the YUSE went....

TTC has been sharing feedback on Eglinton for several years. So much so that Crosslinx looked bad and kicked them out in May 2023 with the argument they were not party to the contract and TTC was reporting deficiencies not stipulated in their contract with Metrolinx.

I would hazard a guess that those issues were not resolved when TTC received access for training purposes and were re-reported again. I speculate that fixing them (or perhaps just arguing the fix isn't necessary) is one of the reasons TTC has taken a while to begin broader operations testing: Why spend resources testing what they already know is deficient by empirical measurement? I have zero insider knowledge; just speculation due to the informational black-hole Metrolinx leaves.

The lesson to be learned by Metrolinx/IO legal is detailed tolerance specifications need to be part of the contract and consistent across all vendor contracts (not bespoke for each one individually).

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toro...rosslinx-sue-ttc-delays-1.6844693#:~:text=The provincial transit agency has,2023 8%3A46 AM PDT

 

[rickvbiker]

Will there be a training period for the drivers on the bus routes that change? Or do they just send them out on the new routes on day 1 of revenue service?

Has the exact routing of the changed bus service been published? I’m thinking of the 71 Runnymede route. Currently it terminates north at the 120 Industry Street - Mt Dennis Bus garage.
Will it terminate at Mt. Dennis Station instead and bypass the Ray Avenue/Industry Street part of the route completely?

Or will it do the loop of Weston Road -> Ray Avenue -> Industry Street -> Todd Baylis -> Black Creek Drive -> Eglinton Avenue -> Mt Dennis Station? Which would mean if you are taking the bus north you would get off at Weston and Eglinton to access Line 5 and avoid the loop.

 

[TOtramz]

Any trains on the line today? Perhaps today is the day for RSD to finally start

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Any trains on the line today? Perhaps today is the day for RSD to finally start

Supposed hit 37°C on Monday. Might be a better date for testing.

 

[smallspy]

Will there be a training period for the drivers on the bus routes that change? Or do they just send them out on the new routes on day 1 of revenue service?

In most cases, drivers already know the roads that will be used because they are being used by other routes. All they will need to learn is any new curves or stops, which will be handled by the provision of maps and memos and other internal documents.

In the case of any stations with bus-only roadways however, there will be training provided to drivers closer to the opening date. This will cover things such as access to and from the platforms, clearances throughout the complexes, access to facilities, etc.

Has the exact routing of the changed bus service been published? I’m thinking of the 71 Runnymede route. Currently it terminates north at the 120 Industry Street - Mt Dennis Bus garage.
Will it terminate at Mt. Dennis Station instead and bypass the Ray Avenue/Industry Street part of the route completely?

Or will it do the loop of Weston Road -> Ray Avenue -> Industry Street -> Todd Baylis -> Black Creek Drive -> Eglinton Avenue -> Mt Dennis Station? Which would mean if you are taking the bus north you would get off at Weston and Eglinton to access Line 5 and avoid the loop.

Yes, although it will require wading through several versions of the TTC's own reports to find it. Closer to the opening date, the TTC will publish new public-facing information for each route.

In the case of the 71 specifically, it appears that the only change will be that the route will enter the bus terminal at Mount Dennis - it will continue to serve the Mt. Dennis bus garage and the industrial area surrounding it.

Any trains on the line today? Perhaps today is the day for RSD to finally start

TTC staff have been performing inspections on the cars for the past several days. Service testing is currently planned to resume on Wednesday.

Dan

 

[bono47]

In most cases, drivers already know the roads that will be used because they are being used by other routes. All they will need to learn is any new curves or stops, which will be handled by the provision of maps and memos and other internal documents.

In the case of any stations with bus-only roadways however, there will be training provided to drivers closer to the opening date. This will cover things such as access to and from the platforms, clearances throughout the complexes, access to facilities, etc.


Yes, although it will require wading through several versions of the TTC's own reports to find it. Closer to the opening date, the TTC will publish new public-facing information for each route.

In the case of the 71 specifically, it appears that the only change will be that the route will enter the bus terminal at Mount Dennis - it will continue to serve the Mt. Dennis bus garage and the industrial area surrounding it.


TTC staff have been performing inspections on the cars for the past several days. Service testing is currently planned to resume on Wednesday.

Dan

Would Wednesday service testing be considered part of RSD or yet another intermediary step? Tyia

 

[cplchanb]

Would Wednesday service testing be considered part of RSD or yet another intermediary step? Tyia

The cynical me is already assuming a pretest of a pretest... they don't exactly have a great track record when it comes to efficiency

 

[Admiral Beez]

I have a new hire starting soon. They live at Yonge and Eglinton and our RTO office is near Martin Ross and Dufferin. The new employee doesn't drive, so I am hoping the crosstown opens soon, making the move from Eglinton Stn to Sheppard West Stn. so much easier. Right now it's about 50 min door to door, https://maps.app.goo.gl/UQS1v6YiMVUeeWi18. It's only 30 mins from Eglinton West, so the Crosstown will likely shave off at least ten minutes from the total commute. The most unreliable part is the bus from Sheppard West north until it reached the ROW above Finch. That ROW should start at Sheppard.