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Item - 2025.TTC6.14 to be considered by the Toronto Transit Commission board on June 23, 2025. Considered "confidential".

See https://secure.toronto.ca/council/agenda-item.do?item=2025.TTC6.14

TTC6.14 - Provincial LRT Program - Line 5 Eglinton Update​


Consideration Type: ACTION

Confidential Attachment - This report contains information explicitly supplied in confidence to the City or local board by Canada, a province or territory or a Crown agency of any of them.​


Origin​


(June 23, 2025) Report from the Interim Chief Executive Officer

Recommendations​


It is recommended that the TTC Board:

1. Receive this report for information.

2. Authorize that the information contained in Confidential Attachment 1 remain confidential, as it contains information supplied in confidence to the TTC by a Crown agency, Metrolinx.
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Summary​


The TTC, Metrolinx and Crosslinx Transit Solution continue to work together to get Line 5 ready for revenue service. On June 16, 2025, train operations were transferred into the TTC’s Transit Control Centre from a temporary control centre as testing, training and construction continue. There are, however, still more phases and milestones to be safely completed before final handover to the TTC occurs.

Handover comes only after substantial completion is achieved, which requires that the Project's Independent Certifier has certified that CTS has demonstrated the successful delivery of Line 5 in accordance with the requirements set out in its Project Agreement.

Financial Impact​


The Ontario-Toronto New Deal Agreement, approved by City Council on December 13, 2023, included the financial support provided from the Province to the City under the terms of the New Deal for Operating Support ($330 million over three years) for the provincially owned Line 5 (Eglinton Crosstown LRT) and Line 6 (Finch West LRT). Funding will support mobilization activities leading up to the revenue service date as well as operating and maintenance costs once the lines enter revenue service, which includes labour costs for staff to operate the lines and non-labour costs, such as traction power, utilities, and maintenance through a third-party contract. This Agreement provides provincial funding support for a three-year term commencing in Q1 2024 through to Q1 2027. Future funding for transit operations of these lines will be discussed in the next round of the New Deal discussions with the Province.

Background Information​


(June 23, 2025) Report from the Interim Chief Executive Officer on Provincial LRT Program - Line 5 Eglinton Update
https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2025/ttc/bgrd/backgroundfile-256530.pdf
Attachment 1 - Confidential Information
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hw621 said:
Ok, now this...where would you put your money on?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1935016081300877754
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The likeliest dates are the board changes. And the September board starts on August 31. The October board starts on October 12, and the November board starts on November 16.

Certainly the best return is on August 31 or earlier (+1100)! Or on or after November 1 (+800). There must be enough insiders who'd be in the know I'd think that none of the best returns are likely (though I still like August 31). But this would suggest October 12.
 
nfitz said:
The likeliest dates are the board changes. And the September board starts on August 31. The October board starts on October 12, and the November board starts on November 16.

Certainly the best return is on August 31 or earlier (+1100)! Or on or after November 1 (+800). There must be enough insiders who'd be in the know I'd think that none of the best returns are likely (though I still like August 31). But this would suggest October 12.
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Urbantoronto should start a pool for this...just saying
 
TOtramz said:
Is it at all likely for there to be signal issues similar to what we had in the past due to the migration to TTC control?

I was optimistic on Tuesday but after hearing nothing is happening I’m fearing the worst.
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Yeah, people were talking about the TTC taking control like it was a good thing...
 
TOtramz said:
Is it at all likely for there to be signal issues similar to what we had in the past due to the migration to TTC control?

I was optimistic on Tuesday but after hearing nothing is happening I’m fearing the worst.
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All that gets transferred is the console.....the infrastructure that executes the signalling functions (and that had all the previous glitches) is the same.

Sure, the console tie-in might have glitches also, but much less serious ones. One would hope that the TTC infrastructure and any downstream systems was in some sort of "listener" mode already and has been tested before official cutover.

- Paul
 
hw621 said:
Urbantoronto should start a pool for this...just saying
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NOBODY should be running a pool about this stuff. I realize you're joking, but if some corrupt official works on the planning board, they could put in a huge bet that the line will be delayed until next year, and then do everything they can to make that happen. (A lot easier than betting on it to open soon, and trying to make that happen.)
 
crs1026 said:
All that gets transferred is the console.....the infrastructure that executes the signalling functions (and that had all the previous glitches) is the same.

Sure, the console tie-in might have glitches also, but much less serious ones. One would hope that the TTC infrastructure and any downstream systems was in some sort of "listener" mode already and has been tested before official cutover.

- Paul
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The question isn't what could go wrong differently under TTC control, it's about HOW they deal with the problem. Let's not forget that the TTC has shut down late evening and weekend service on certain subway sections for months or even years at a time, to replace signalling systems. What do they do, replace 4 inches of cable each night?
 
hw621 said:
It is a milestone, but let’s not forget the TTC has its own history of issues. People here are quick to criticize Metrolinx, but the TTC isn’t necessarily more efficient — just differently flawed.
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Huh? Transfer to the TTC is a milestone, in the sense that it must be done for the new line to ever get opened, but at the same time we shouldn't do it because the TTC aren't good at this? The line should never open, then.
I do agree with your "differently flawed" comment though; see my reply immediately above.
 
hw621 said:
It is a milestone, but let’s not forget the TTC has its own history of issues. People here are quick to criticize Metrolinx, but the TTC isn’t necessarily more efficient — just differently flawed.
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TTC mises construction timelines but when they open a new line or extension they tend to hit the expected level of service without long closures to fix problems. If TTC is finding and reporting issues, I'd lean toward believing they're actual issues. I don't think TTC will filibuster the opening of the line; they're very motivated to reduce their bus network.
 
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