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And after all that, we'll still have no idea what went wrong, or why the project was 5 years behind schedule.

Imagine if the governments of ye olden times were as secretive... there'd be no one compiling any history of the TTC, because there would be none known of which to speak.
 
Tunafish13 said:
Out of curiosity, whats the difference between operator training and replicating service?

Because the trains I've seen going along the line look a lot like replicating service..... They've been opening the doors, holding for a bit and then closing them and moving on, the time between trains is less than 10 minutes (it seems). There is usually only one or two staff in the train now vs when they started and it was like 4 or 5 staff. The timers on the platforms seem to be working properly, and they seem to be working on cleaning all the glass on the outdoor stations as well.

Anyone else noticed this stuff as well?
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Operator training involves things such as:
- learning the equipment
- learning the route
- learning any short turns
- learning how to deal with disablements
Some of these items are done in the equipment, but a lot of it is not. Of the 30 days of training required for the line, only about a dozen are done on the equipment, and half of that is done at the throttle.

At this point 2 full sets of classes of operators have now completed training, and my understanding is that the third is well on their way, too. But once that is done, the TTC has a requirement for simulating service for 2 board periods. This allows them to ensure that the schedule is realistic (and if it isn't, gives them some time to fix it), that the equipment works properly, that the operators know not just how to run the line but also how to deal with the inevitable problems that will arise, etc.

We're not quite at that "2 board periods" point yet, but getting close. So in the meantime, the crews who are fully trained are out on the line operating the equipment in advance of the simulated service, as well as performing some tests that Metrolinx has come up with in order to prep the line for the final countdown to revenue service.

Dan
 
T3G said:
And after all that, we'll still have no idea what went wrong, or why the project was 5 years behind schedule.

Imagine if the governments of ye olden times were as secretive... there'd be no one compiling any history of the TTC, because there would be none known of which to speak.
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No way for me to verify or anything so pure speculation/rumour but I heard from a coworker who's friend works(or worked) at SNC Lavalin that one of the stations water table was measured once and is now much higher than when measured causing lots of problems. I'm not educated at all in this field so couldn't tell you what that means tbh.
 
kthing said:
No way for me to verify or anything so pure speculation/rumour but I heard from a coworker who's friend works(or worked) at SNC Lavalin that one of the stations water table was measured once and is now much higher than when measured causing lots of problems. I'm not educated at all in this field so couldn't tell you what that means tbh.
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Either provide proof, or be quiet. Noone here is a fan of SNCorrupt Lavalin/Atkins Realis but these highly speculative, if not libellous statements are completely unproductive and not conducive for a constructive discussion on this forum.
 
kthing said:
No way for me to verify or anything so pure speculation/rumour but I heard from a coworker who's friend works(or worked) at SNC Lavalin that one of the stations water table was measured once and is now much higher than when measured causing lots of problems. I'm not educated at all in this field so couldn't tell you what that means tbh.
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Some stations are expected to be below the water table. Which fluctuates significantly, and in Spring can easily get close to ground level.

Water levels in Toronto area very well understood. Any surprises would only be gross incompetence. We've seen enough evidence of long-term criminal behaviour by SNC Lavalin.
 
nfitz said:
Some stations are expected to be below the water table. Which fluctuates significantly, and in Spring can easily get close to ground level.

Water levels in Toronto area very well understood. Any surprises would only be gross incompetence. We've seen enough evidence of long-term criminal behaviour by SNC Lavalin.
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If we have more honest and experienced companies that will say that you can’t do that than design an inadequate station based on some terrible specs, we’ll have better infrastructure.

Instead they do it anyways and hope they get paid more to fix it. They should held these companies/people who deliberately create gravy accountable and slap them with a huge fine or send them to jail. The law and judges love protecting them.
 
nfitz said:
Some stations are expected to be below the water table. Which fluctuates significantly, and in Spring can easily get close to ground level.

Water levels in Toronto area very well understood. Any surprises would only be gross incompetence. We've seen enough evidence of long-term criminal behaviour by SNC Lavalin.
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Many of the former streams are now sewers. However, they can be subject to overflow as a result of storms or big rainfalls. See https://www.lostrivers.ca/content/EglintonParkReach.html
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Even more rainfall water because of parking lots, roofs, and wide roadways have to go somewhere.
 
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