[Mind_the_gap]

[...] KWs LRT (which Metrolinx didn't touch) doesn't have the same mess of signals. The signals they use where it is street running is a white bar that changes from being vertical (LRVs can move through the intersection) or horizontal (trains must stop and wait). The white bar will start flashing before it switches to warn the operators that a switch is happening.

This is the setup for KWs signal, the train signal is to the left. If you mix the train signal up with a traffic signal you really shouldn't be driving.
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Regarding the dicussion of transit signals,

The only approved transit signal by the MTO is the single vertical bar atop a regular signal head:
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IIRC Ion LRT got special permission to use the more traditional european signal head:
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MTO updated Book 12 in 2024 and didn't include this style which is a massive disappointment.

This is exactly what I was referring to in my post - the K-W signals do indeed give the operator advance notice. How long does the horizontal bar flash for before changing??

Leave it to the most German city in Ontario to get transit signals right!

 

[ShonTron]

Far side stops have two advantages: the first is that they are easier to build where there there are left turn lanes on the near sides. The problem is that there are too many left turns permitted on our median ROW transit routes like Viva, St. Clair, Spadina, or Eglinton. At least Montreal banned most left turns along the Pie-IX busway.

The second is that, if you have signal priority – even just a green signal hold for an approaching transit vehicle – the tram only has to stop once. That’s of course if the signal priority is set up for it.

 

[cplchanb]

Far side stops have two advantages: the first is that they are easier to build where there there are left turn lanes on the near sides. The problem is that there are too many left turns permitted on our median ROW transit routes like Viva, St. Clair, Spadina, or Eglinton. At least Montreal banned most left turns along the Pie-IX busway.

The second is that, if you have signal priority – even just a green signal hold for an approaching transit vehicle – the tram only has to stop once. That’s of course if the signal priority is set up for it.

well thats their biggest problem... not only do they not have priority, the signal actually turns red 15s before the car signal does. Toronto simply just doesnt understand, nor care that they wasted billions on a streetcar

 

[cplchanb]

For the information counter, wouldn't it be better if they had the counter outside the fare gate in the non-fare area?

simple fix...all they have to do is shift the gates 5 ft forward.... though getting them to do it will be like designing a 50s tower...

 

[Cyrobyte]

I still can't believe that a subway line doesn't have right-of-way. If it doesn't have right-of-way it should be part of the Toronto streetcar system (500-599) instead of the subway.

 

[nfitz]

At least Montreal banned most left turns along the Pie-IX busway.

Montreal has the advantage of a better grid system in a more urban area, with the next parallel arteries being only one-km away, while it's two kilometres to Lawrence and St. Clair - neither of which are continuous east of Bayview or Mount Pleasant.

 

[smallspy]

Are not far side stops safer for the passengers? You're not then competing with as many right-turning vehicles to cross to your transit stop.

I'm not sure how they are safer. They have to deal with exactly the same number of right-turning vehicles as if they were nearside stops.

The one advantage to farside stops is that, when the signal priority is active, it can hold a green for an approaching train and allow it to clear the intersection before it turns red. It's much harder to do that when the train has to serve a stop first. (There are also land-use advantages with roadway shape and size, but those don't benefit the transit systems.)

All else being equal however, they are no better or no worse than nearside stops.

well they need to program the traffic signals to suit then! right now the control logic is if its on the nearside stop like a streetcar.

It's not.

They just haven't turned on the feeds to hold signals for the trains yet.

Dan

 

[ZEBuilder]

This is exactly what I was referring to in my post - the K-W signals do indeed give the operator advance notice. How long does the horizontal bar flash for before changing??

Leave it to the most German city in Ontario to get transit signals right!

I don't remember the exact time off the top of my head but it flashes for a couple of seconds at least, the same thing happens with the vertical bar when it is going to turn back to horizontal. It gives enough warning that the operator has adequate time to either stop or proceed.

 

[bono47]

Eg station completely cleaned up, I getting cautiously optimistic of a June RSD announcement

 

[TOtramz]

Eg station completely cleaned up, I getting cautiously optimistic of a June RSD announcement

What do you mean by completely cleaned up?
No more barriers?

 

[Steve X]

Montreal has the advantage of a better grid system in a more urban area, with the next parallel arteries being only one-km away, while it's two kilometres to Lawrence and St. Clair - neither of which are continuous east of Bayview or Mount Pleasant.

Don't get me started on the old Borough of York. That place is a mess in rush hour. Keele disconnect, Trethewey, Rogers Rd to just name a few. The Crosstown can't open fast enough taking buses off Eglinton plus they need to aggressively tow all the illegally parked cars between 4-6pm. That stretch between Keele and Caledonia has zero enforcement. Caledonia to Dufferin westbound, people start parking right at 5:45pm even though the ban ends at 6pm. All the traffic spills onto Castlefield and Caledonia.

The 47B/C is never on time. Once the crosstown opens, all the 47A riders on Lansdowne gets to enjoy increased reliable service as all 47's will head to Caledonia Station. I don't know how the new 164 Castlefiled will even function with that massive gridlock. Expect reliability be low and will eventually ended up on the chopping block. The 121 Fort York-Esplanade was expected to carry a lot of riders but ended up chopped as gridlock traffic made it useless. I expect the 164 will end in the same fate.

Scarborough chose to built wider roads as many East-West corridors have 3 lanes. It really helps traffic flow and could be easily converted to RapidTO lanes without causing massive gridlock. The grid is better there. I don't think the city needs to widen some corridors to create boulevards to address the traffic flow. People can take transit build the increased delivery of goods and construction vehicles can't. Gridlock will continue to hinder productivity and increase cost for everyone.

 

[UntitledCyclist]

Can confirm, I was at Aga Khan Park & Museum station at about 2:00 PM, saw five trains in the six minutes I was standing there watching. Four of them were headed towards Kennedy, the other towards Mount Dennis.
There was an announcer lady announcing an announcement whenever a train was arriving and departing the station, she said: "The next train to arrive on the eastbound platform is for Mount Dennis." A little buggy since most trains were headed towards Kennedy.
Door chimes sound like the street car ones. Trains were moving quick.
Side window signs read - Eglinton | To Kennedy
Another train had TRAINING CAR written like that in all caps on the front and side signs.

Aga Khan Park & Museum Station? Holy word salad. Yes it has some nice exterior spaces, but everyone knows that property as the museum. Why did they awkwardly shoehorn the park in there?

 

[bono47]

What do you mean by completely cleaned up?
No more barriers?

it was full of construction related materials and garbage, now gone completely.

 

[nfitz]

Aga Khan Park & Museum Station? Holy word salad. Yes it has some nice exterior spaces, but everyone knows that property as the museum. Why did they awkwardly shoehorn the park in there?

You'd thought that Agha Khan station would have sufficed - originally it was called Ferrand. Hakimi-Lebovic also comes to mind (originally Lebovic).

A bit odd really, as I suspect a Leo XIV station would never fly.

 

[TOtramz]

You'd thought that Agha Khan station would have sufficed - originally it was called Ferrand. Hakimi-Lebovic also comes to mind (originally Lebovic).

A bit odd really, as I suspect a Leo XIV station would never fly.

you can hide it by switching languages like Pie IX and Torontonians would never know they had a papal station